sore lower back from deadlifts

[oldgeezer]

Hi

This is second time i've gotten a sore back from doing deadlifts it's not chronic but lasts 4 to 5 days. I'm doing a pyramid 5x5 routine, squats, bench flat and incline, rows and deadlifting once a week.
first time was about a 5 weeks ago i worked up to 235 my heaviest set. pain was immediate after that set. i took off lifting for about 5 days and drop my heaviest set to 220 worked up to 240 and the samething happened last thursday. i even had a trainer watch my form thursday he said it looked good.
right now i'm perplexed if anyone has a suggestion i sure would be greatful.

[crazedhate]

Supy will definitely chime in here.
i got me a messed up lower back and its mainly due to deadlifts so i just dont do them anymore. everyone says you have to to get you a good back, i beg to differ and like to prove em wrong

[breakthrough]

Are you doing squats and deadlifts on the same day? If so, there's the problem. Bad back or not, that could screw you up. Deadlifts require a strict form and if done correctly should result in a stronger lower back that's resiliant against pain of that sort. Back straight, knees bent, feet about ten inches apart and stay looking up at a slight angle.

[oldgeezer]

Originally Posted by breakthrough

Are you doing squats and deadlifts on the same day? If so, there's the problem. Bad back or not, that'll screw you up. Deadlifts require a strict form and if done correctly should result in a stronger lower back that's resiliant against pain of that sort. Back straight, knees bent, feet about ten inches apart and stay looking up at a slight angle.

yes I'm doing squats same day. it's a light squat day but iam doing them. squats first 75% then deadlifts and incline bench.

[oldgeezer]

forgot thank you

[breakthrough]

My suggestion would be to sererate those 2 exercises and do them at least 48 hours apart from each other. Also (I'm not saying you have poor form), you may want to watch a couple video's of deadlifts that show form and then take notice of yours while doing them. I got a tip once that not only increased the amount of weight I could lift, but helped my form also and that was to look slightly up at the wall while performing the deads. That works for me with Squats too.

[oldgeezer]

Originally Posted by breakthrough

My suggestion would be to sererate those 2 exercises and do them at least 48 hours apart from each other. Also (I'm not saying you have poor form), you may want to watch a couple video's of deadlifts that show form and then take notice of yours while doing them. I got a tip once that not only increased the amount of weight I could lift, but helped my form also and that was to look slightly up at the wall while performing the deads. That works for me with Squats too.

thanks break I agree 100% technique is everything a good coach would be worth there weight in gold. but i live in a small town so will have to settle for watching videos. check this guy out on a bench press i just watch him and learn a lot.

YouTube - Dave Tate's Six-Week Bench Press Cure

[oldgeezer]

Originally Posted by oldgeezer

thanks break I agree 100% technique is everything a good coach would be worth there weight in gold. but i live in a small town so will have to settle for watching videos. check this guy out on a bench press i just watch him and learn a lot.

YouTube - Dave Tate's Six-Week Bench Press Cure

found one on the deadlift
YouTube - Dave tate on Dead lifting conventional & sumo

[breakthrough]

Originally Posted by oldgeezer

found one on the deadlift
YouTube - Dave tate on Dead lifting conventional & sumo

Yea, Dave Tate is good although as a person, I think he's a dickhead. I don't really like how aggressively that guy lifted the bar for instructional purposes though. He should have done it slower considering how little that bar weighed. What you will notice though, is that his knees went to about 90 degrees and also was at 90 degrees (roughly) at the hips. Back was straight too. You don't want to arch either way with your back. I really don't like how this big ogre starts by looking down at the bar and then squats down real fast, grabs it and lifts. I align my self and get into form with my hands on the bar. I put a little load on myself and then lift in a controlled manner.

[powerman]

Dave Tates video is EXACTLY how i bench. I just cant get the big arch. Im still workin on it. Thers nothing wrong with squatting and deadlifting the same day it just takes quite a while to get used to it. Id have to see a video to determine if thers anything wrong with your technique.

[powerman]

Originally Posted by breakthrough

Yea, Dave Tate is good although as a person, I think he's a dickhead. I don't really like how aggressively that guy lifted the bar for instructional purposes though. He should have done it slower considering how little that bar weighed. What you will notice though, is that his knees went to about 90 degrees and also was at 90 degrees (roughly) at the hips. Back was straight too. You don't want to arch either way with your back. I really don't like how this big ogre starts by looking down at the bar and then squats down real fast, grabs it and lifts. I align my self and get into form with my hands on the bar. I put a little load on myself and then lift in a controlled manner.

That deadlifting video was terrible. Dave needs to work on that vid and the douche bag in it...lol. His bench vids are good to go though. Daves not known for his deadlifting more so for his bench and excellent squat numbers

[breakthrough]

Originally Posted by supy1962

Dave Tates video is EXACTLY how i bench. I just cant get the big arch. Im still workin on it. Thers nothing wrong with squatting and deadlifting the same day it just takes quite a while to get used to it. Id have to see a video to determine if thers anything wrong with your technique.

I was thinking maybe he should get used to each of the 2 seperately and build some lower back strength before combining them in the same workout. I think the goal here is to limit the pain he's in, not keep doing it until he just gets used to it. I agree that there is nothing wrong with doing them in the same day provided that lower back muscles can handle the load and form is in check. By the sound of things, I'm not sure he's a veteran with deadlifts so a little practice may be in order to build those lower back muscles. If everything was cool as is, I don't think there would be enough pain to start a thread over. Perhaps he needs some in the lower back EOD .

[breakthrough]

Originally Posted by supy1962

That deadlifting video was terrible. Dave needs to work on that vid and the douche bag in it...lol. His bench vids are good to go though. Daves not known for his deadlifting more so for his bench and excellent squat numbers

That guy was definitely a douchebag lol. It was like that video was the biggest achievement of the ogre's life and he wanted to be all hardcore to impress Dave lol. What was that bar??? 135lbs? And that 300+lb guy was grunting a little bit lifting it!!??? C'mon!!!!!

[powerman]

Originally Posted by breakthrough

I was thinking maybe he should get used to each of the 2 seperately and build some lower back strength before combining them in the same workout. I think the goal here is to limit the pain he's in, not keep doing it until he just gets used to it. I agree that there is nothing wrong with doing them in the same day provided that lower back muscles can handle the load and form is in check. By the sound of things, I'm not sure he's a veteran with deadlifts so a little practice may be in order to build those lower back muscles. If everything was cool as is, there wouldn't be enough pain to start a thread over. My $.02.

Agreed 100% im not trying to be a dick but by the weight hes using you may definitely be onto something in getting used to both separately. I dont deadlift and squat on the same day except for a comp , but most PLers do. Im gonna try something new later in the yr that will incorporate them on the same day once i feel my leg is back to 100%

[breakthrough]

Originally Posted by supy1962

Agreed 100% im not trying to be a dick but by the weight hes using you may definitely be onto something in getting used to both separately. I dont deadlift and squat on the same day except for a comp , but most PLers do. Im gonna try something new later in the yr that will incorporate them on the same day once i feel my leg is back to 100%

That fucked up Supy! Talkin about his DL weight like that Lol J/K. Yea that's what I was saying. @ 235, I would say more time on that exercise could be helpful to the situation.

[shotgun]

Also dont forget to work abs strong adominal help reduce stress on back

[breakthrough]

Originally Posted by shotgun

Also dont forget to work abs strong adominal help reduce stress on back

What the hell are abs??????