Safe Mail

[espiros]

It seems (according to a source outside this board) that Safe Mail encryption is been open by the Feds.
Therefore anything you do there will be seeing by them.
Also, according to this same "source" now is not safe to give your "real" name when sending Money with WU, since they will start gathering the names of people sending "money" this way.

Could this be truth?

It seems like to much to me!

[davidbl769]

IT'S NOT ILLEGAL TO SEND MONEY. WHENEVER YOU SEND FOR GEAR MAKE SURE YOUR HOUSE IS SPOTLESS.I THINK IF YOU WERE SENDING THOUSANDS EVERY MONTH I WOULD BE A LITTLE PARANOID.

[admin]

To add to that.
I dont' think you need to give ID unless it's over $1,000 (been a while since I' used WU so I'm not certain. So you don't need to give your real name. And if it's over $1,000, it might be smarter to break it into two payments even if you have to spend $50 for the fee.

[spottedtiger]

i don't know about safemail but i can't imagine that WU could be compelled to hand over all customers names. doesn't sound realistic to me.

[peenutt78]

so what is there out there besides hushmail and safe-mail US.com is left then they have not busted

[six-foot-under]

Yeh, I was useing hushmail, and I was told that it was not safe, so started useing safe-mail. We might need to make a little spot for secure internet, just like what we got for legit sources.

[FACE2FACE]

I doubt the DEA has that much manpower to gather and sort out all the WU
transactions.
Peace.

[espiros]

Originally Posted by FACE2FACE

I doubt the DEA has that much manpower to gather and sort out all the WU
transactions.
Peace.

So it seems then, that my source is getting paranoid about this?
I have to agree with you with WU, there's way to many transactions daily!
Last, I personally wouldn't use another "name" when sending money.
If there's a problem with it I will have no way to "rescue' my own money.

[badstone]

Originally Posted by espiros

So it seems then, that my source is getting paranoid about this?
I have to agree with you with WU, there's way to many transactions daily!
Last, I personally wouldn't use another "name" when sending money.
If there's a problem with it I will have no way to "rescue' my own money.

Thats right. I always use my real name just in case I need to get the money back.

[davidbl769]

IF YOU DON'T USE YOUR REAL NAME YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO GET YOUR CASH BACK.MY BUDDY DID THAT A WHILE BACK.HE USED FAKE NAME AT WESTERN UNION,WHEN THE SOURCES HAD PROBLEMS AND HE WAS OUT 200 BUCKS!

[espiros]

Live a learn eh??

[gear99]

Originally Posted by peenutt78

so what is there out there besides hushmail and safe-mail US.com is left then they have not busted

securenym.net - proabably the best.

[Rangi]

Originally Posted by gear99

securenym.net - proabably the best.

Does securenym.net really cost $60 per year. Thats what the website says. Thats kind of a lot for email. But maybe worth it if its the only secure one left.

[webster]

I could see a paid email fighting a little harder to keep your information private...because if you are paying for privacy, you have some reasonable expectations to expect privacy, compared to something that you are getting for free. And $60 is a lot cheaper that losing your gear, or having LE knocking on your door asking questions.

I prefer to use an email provider that is based in a country that is not part of the MLAT (Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty). For those of you who do not know what MLAT is, it is an agreement that the US has with other countries to share information regarding criminal activity. That is what LE used to gain access to hushmail accounts in Canada for Operation Raw Deal. Currently there are 51 countries that are part of MLAT. They are:

Argentina. Australia, Austria, Bahamas. Barbados, Belgium. BVI, Canada, Cayman Islands, Czech Rep., Dominica, Hong Kong, Hungary, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, Latvia, Lithuania, Mexico, Morocco, Netherlands, Panama, Philippines, Poland, South Korea, Spain, St, Lucia, St. Vincent, Switzerland, Thailand, Turkey, United Kingdom, Uruguay, Cyprus, Estonia, Nigeria, Antigua, Romania, Singapore, Trinidad, Barbuda, South Africa, Ukraine, St. Kitts & Nevis, Russia, Egypt, Luxembourg, Grenada, Greece, and France.

I use anonymous speech because it is based in Japan and Japan is not part of MLAT that I could find. It costs about $60 per year but the peace of mind is well worth the expense for me.

[motoxmaniac]

exactly what Webster said....not to mention that anonymous speech also gives you a fake IP address.

[bigjay357]

it does not matter if you pay for email or not a sepna is a spena if the feds wont your email they will get it

[espiros]

Originally Posted by webster

I could see a paid email fighting a little harder to keep your information private...because if you are paying for privacy, you have some reasonable expectations to expect privacy, compared to something that you are getting for free. And $60 is a lot cheaper that losing your gear, or having LE knocking on your door asking questions.

I prefer to use an email provider that is based in a country that is not part of the MLAT (Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty). For those of you who do not know what MLAT is, it is an agreement that the US has with other countries to share information regarding criminal activity. That is what LE used to gain access to hushmail accounts in Canada for Operation Raw Deal. Currently there are 51 countries that are part of MLAT. They are:

Argentina. Australia, Austria, Bahamas. Barbados, Belgium. BVI, Canada, Cayman Islands, Czech Rep., Dominica, Hong Kong, Hungary, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, Latvia, Lithuania, Mexico, Morocco, Netherlands, Panama, Philippines, Poland, South Korea, Spain, St, Lucia, St. Vincent, Switzerland, Thailand, Turkey, United Kingdom, Uruguay, Cyprus, Estonia, Nigeria, Antigua, Romania, Singapore, Trinidad, Barbuda, South Africa, Ukraine, St. Kitts & Nevis, Russia, Egypt, Luxembourg, Grenada, Greece, and France.

I use anonymous speech because it is based in Japan and Japan is not part of MLAT that I could find. It costs about $60 per year but the peace of mind is well worth the expense for me.

Exactly...I rather pay 60.00 bucks a year than have the DEA knock on my door.

[Rangi]

Originally Posted by bigjay357

it does not matter if you pay for email or not a sepna is a spena if the feds wont your email they will get it

I agree with bigjay. If the feds issue a subpoena, they will probably can get your information.

[webster]

Originally Posted by bigjay357

it does not matter if you pay for email or not a sepna is a spena if the feds wont your email they will get it

Yea but a subpoena issued by a federal judge is worthless in a country that does not cooperate with the US. That is what the MLAT was designed for. Japan has supposedly taken steps toward MLAT but are not a part of it yet. They can possibly be coerced but unless they are bound by law to cooperate, they can tell the DEA to get screwed if they want to. The same applies to extradition. Some countries we can extradite from, some we can't.

Sure, if they want you bad enough, they will get you. But I also know they are usually lazy and will catch the easy fish first. I don't want to be an easy fish.

[espiros]

Originally Posted by webster

Yea but a subpoena issued by a federal judge is worthless in a country that does not cooperate with the US. That is what the MLAT was designed for. Japan has supposedly taken steps toward MLAT but are not a part of it yet. They can possibly be coerced but unless they are bound by law to cooperate, they can tell the DEA to get screwed if they want to. The same applies to extradition. Some countries we can extradite from, some we can't.

Sure, if they want you bad enough, they will get you. But I also know they are usually lazy and will catch the easy fish first. I don't want to be an easy fish.

Amen!!

[alaski]

Is reading a personal email is legal? That is like wire tapping without a warrant. Is any information gathered through email spying admissible in a court of law? That would seem outrageous that some US agency could arbitrarily, without probable cause, spy on one of its citizens. Has the State now become that intrusive in an attempt to control the behavior of its citizens?

[alaski]

FROM Hushmail site: "In some countries, government sponsored projects have been set up to collect massive amounts of data from the Internet, including emails, and store them away for future analysis. This data collection is done without any search warrant, court order, or subpoena. One example of such a program was the FBI's Carnivore project. By using Hushmail, you can be assured that your data will be protected from that kind of broad government surveillance."

LAW limiting Carnivore: "Getting the cooperation of the ISPs or the owner of the LAN onto which Carnivore is to be placed can either be voluntary or by court order; however, once a system is in place it is allegedly not allowed to simply capture every email that passes through the system — by existing U.S. law, publicly acknowledged USG personnel are required to get a warrant or court order naming specific people or email addresses that may be monitored. When an email passes through that matches the filtering criteria mandated by the warrant, the message is logged along with information on the date, time, origin and destination. This logging is believed to be relayed in real time to the FBI. All other traffic would presumably be dropped without logging or capture."

Hushmail Canada Jurisdiction: We are committed to the privacy of our users, and will absolutely not release user data without a court order from the Supreme Court of British Columbia, Canada, which is the jurisdiction where our servers are located. In addition, we require that any such court order refer specifically by email address to any account for which data is required. However, if we do receive such a court order, we are required to do everything in our power to comply with the law.

Hushmail will not accept a court order issued by any authority or investigative agency other than the Supreme Court of British Columbia, Canada. Other authorities must apply to the Canadian government through an appropriate Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty and request that a court order be issued by the Supreme Court of British Columbia, Canada.


It seems probable cause still exists in some form...

[webster]

Here is one of the ways they do it...after the World Trade Center attacks, the US government establised the Department of Homeland Security. These guys are authorized to do a lot of things without a warrant or probable cause under the umbrella of "Homeland Security." This is supposed to relate specifically to anti-terrorist information, money laundering, and funding of terrorists organizations. We (congress) let it pass with no problems because hey, we all want the government pro-actively looking for terrorists and keeping us safe right? Well what if they are out there wire tapping or searching emails looking for terrorist activity and happen upon some other illegal activity such as illegal drug sales. Well, they can't knowingly let that type of criminal activity go on right? So they take this "legally" obtained information (wink wink) to a magistrate and get a warrant issued. Then under MLAT, they take that warrant to Canada, or wherever, and get a warrant issued in that country, obtain the needed information, and affect an arrest. All packaged up, neat and tidy (and LEGAL). If you thought you had rights bro, those are long gone. The government has planned this way in advance, all under the umbrella of "keeping us safe." There is a lot of speculation that 911 was allowed to happen, just so they could implement some of the big brother things that are going on now. But that is for another discussion. Need lots of beers for that, lol.

[alaski]

Originally Posted by webster

Here is one of the ways they do it...after the World Trade Center attacks, the US government establised the Department of Homeland Security. These guys are authorized to do a lot of things without a warrant or probable cause under the umbrella of "Homeland Security." This is supposed to relate specifically to anti-terrorist information, money laundering, and funding of terrorists organizations. We (congress) let it pass with no problems because hey, we all want the government pro-actively looking for terrorists and keeping us safe right? Well what if they are out there wire tapping or searching emails looking for terrorist activity and happen upon some other illegal activity such as illegal drug sales. Well, they can't knowingly let that type of criminal activity go on right? So they take this "legally" obtained information (wink wink) to a magistrate and get a warrant issued. Then under MLAT, they take that warrant to Canada, or wherever, and get a warrant issued in that country, obtain the needed information, and affect an arrest. All packaged up, neat and tidy (and LEGAL). If you thought you had rights bro, those are long gone. The government has planned this way in advance, all under the umbrella of "keeping us safe." There is a lot of speculation that 911 was allowed to happen, just so they could implement some of the big brother things that are going on now. But that is for another discussion. Need lots of beers for that, lol.

I have no delusion that I am free or that I have many civil rights left. However, I will take couple of those beers...lets get drunk and get pissed off...lol.

[espiros]

Originally Posted by alaski

I have no delusion that I am free or that I have many civil rights left. However, I will take couple of those beers...lets get drunk and get pissed off...lol.

hey guys..
Don't drink all the beers...leave some for the rest of us!