The Palumbo Keto Diet and requirements

[Action]

Originally Posted by tom123

hey Action excellent post gonna print that baby off!!

1 question is it worth going on cycle during this diet as not much slin is present in your body??

or is it ideal for muscle preservation. nobody has mentioned whether they do it on or off cycle. gonna start next week.

was thinking very basic cycle 500-750mg mixed testosterone. i love the basic cycles. 8-12weeks.

how long do you stay on this diet, did you come off after a few weeks?

thanks mate

Hey buddy, as far as Slin I couldn't tell you. I'm sure Under Radar has some experience there. I have only ever run any type of Keto on cycle although I could have run it off cycle but I'm a firm believer in saving this type of diet for my on cycle routine. I stayed on the diet for several months.

[Under-Radar]

Originally Posted by tom123

hey Action excellent post gonna print that baby off!!

1 question is it worth going on cycle during this diet as not much slin is present in your body?? IM not sure what you are trying to ask; please rephrase your question again. Thanks

or is it ideal for muscle preservation. nobody has mentioned whether they do it on or off cycle. gonna start next week. Once again what are you asking.
was thinking very basic cycle 500-750mg mixed testosterone. i love the basic cycles. 8-12weeks. Test is great to use. and although you dont need it on a keto diet; keep in mine that it will help you to preserve more of your muscle ..
how long do you stay on this diet, did you come off after a few weeks?

the diet is something you can stay on as long as you want. but it is designed to let you drop a ton of bodyfat very quickly.thanks mate

Please Note:... If for some reason you were asking if you can use Insulin doing a keto diet. The answer would be HELL NO!!! Sorry did not mean to scare ya as when a person is on a keto diet; their is no carbs present in the body; In which case insuling requires carbohydrates to accompany it. Someone taking slin without carbs would find themselves in a comatose state very fast.
Now slin would be great on a offseason diet allowing more freadom and have carbohydrates included in your diet regimen. So the answer would be yes; But only doing a offseason diet. If you ever decide to do a offseason diet lmk; otherwise just a word of caution. 95% of bodybuilders taking slin will get fat unless you have a superior high metabolism.

[tom123]

Originally Posted by Under-Radar

Please Note:... If for some reason you were asking if you can use Insulin doing a keto diet. The answer would be HELL NO!!! Sorry did not mean to scare ya as when a person is on a keto diet; their is no carbs present in the body; In which case insuling requires carbohydrates to accompany it. Someone taking slin without carbs would find themselves in a comatose state very fast.
Now slin would be great on a offseason diet allowing more freadom and have carbohydrates included in your diet regimen. So the answer would be yes; But only doing a offseason diet. If you ever decide to do a offseason diet lmk; otherwise just a word of caution. 95% of bodybuilders taking slin will get fat unless you have a superior high metabolism.

thanks for reply UR.

no i would never use slin in ketosis, i was just saying since there is no insulin (due to no carbs) in your body during a keto diet and therefore no protein synthesis will the testosterone do anything?
im gonna start a 750mg/week cycle with it. I suppose the test will bind to the androgen receptors and prevent catabolism?? but im not expecting much in the way of gains as you mentioned, which is fine as long as i can drop the lard!

[Under-Radar]

Originally Posted by tom123

thanks for reply UR.

no i would never use slin in ketosis, i was just saying since there is no insulin (due to no carbs) in your body during a keto diet and therefore no protein synthesis will the testosterone do anything?
im gonna start a 750mg/week cycle with it. I suppose the test will bind to the androgen receptors and prevent catabolism?? but im not expecting much in the way of gains as you mentioned, which is fine as long as i can drop the lard!

well yes the test will make a huge difference. not only are you get a muscle sparing effect. but yes indeed the test will put on size. and yoou will gain a nice full pack of lean muscle tissue. you should be able to put on a quality 10-12 pds of muscle.

[Nick!]

Originally Posted by Under-Radar

well yes the test will make a huge difference. not only are you get a muscle sparing effect. but yes indeed the test will put on size. and yoou will gain a nice full pack of lean muscle tissue. you should be able to put on a quality 1-12 pds of muscle.

So will the Palumbo diet cause you lose muscle too? Or will the 300+ grams of protein a day be enough to stop catabolism?

The only reason I'm so concerned with muscle loss is that I'm going to be starting a cutting diet once I'm through with PCT and I just want to know what the best cutter would be if I want to drop a decent amount of fat, but still save muscle without being on AAS?

[tom123]

Originally Posted by Nick!

So will the Palumbo diet cause you lose muscle too? Or will the 300+ grams of protein a day be enough to stop catabolism?

The only reason I'm so concerned with muscle loss is that I'm going to be starting a cutting diet once I'm through with PCT and I just want to know what the best cutter would be if I want to drop a decent amount of fat, but still save muscle without being on AAS?

ive done this before bulked up on cycle then cut after and its not good in my opinion.

this time round ive bulked on cycle, concentrated on maintaining diet, strength and size now its time to go on again im gonna cut up.

you will lose muscle on any diet unless your way overweight or on cycle.

if i were you id maintain my gains and let my body settle at its new weight to avoid yo yo ing as so many seem to when using gear.

[Nick!]

Originally Posted by tom123

ive done this before bulked up on cycle then cut after and its not good in my opinion.

this time round ive bulked on cycle, concentrated on maintaining diet, strength and size now its time to go on again im gonna cut up.

you will lose muscle on any diet unless your way overweight or on cycle.

if i were you id maintain my gains and let my body settle at its new weight to avoid yo yo ing as so many seem to when using gear.

So there's no possible way to get cut after a cycle, unless I want to lose muscle?

[tom123]

Originally Posted by Nick!

So there's no possible way to get cut after a cycle, unless I want to lose muscle?

yeah but make sure its planned well and nothing too drastic, i personally wouldnt do it again unless it was just a few pounds.

[Nick!]

Originally Posted by tom123

yeah but make sure its planned well and nothing too drastic, i personally wouldnt do it again unless it was just a few pounds.

So anything keto is bad, huh? What would you suggest for someone that wants to drop 6-7% bf??

[Nick!]

Actually, if I was going to run a simple cycle with minimal water retention, while on the Palumbo diet...would 100mg of Test Prop EOD be good enough, or could I even get away with less Prop to minimize catabolism?

[Under-Radar]

Who stated keto will make you loose muscle. this is not true and is absurd.... keto main focus is to reduce bodyfat; of course your protein requirements needs to be right as well as other factors. now when doing your cardio you must keep yourself below or at 125 BPM. Also it is important that you keep a tab on your Bodyfat count by checking it on a weekly or bi-weekly basis. This is important so that you are only burning fat and not muscle. The only way i see anyone burning muscle on a keto or palumbo diet will be because most dont want to follow the equations and then again who am i to talk. I have been doing it for 3-5 years. on and off now.

Now keep in mined that although Palumo diet will work for even the everyday person it was desighned in mine for those who you anabolic steroids. With this in mined ; you cant and should not be loosing muscle on test.

[Action]

Originally Posted by Nick!

So anything keto is bad, huh?

Bro, you're straying off the path!!! Where did this come from???

[Action]

Originally Posted by Nick!

So will the Palumbo diet cause you lose muscle too??

No, not at all, provided you stick to under 120 beats per minute and keep your protein levels high.

Originally Posted by Nick!

The only reason I'm so concerned with muscle loss is that I'm going to be starting a cutting diet once I'm through with PCT and I just want to know what the best cutter would be if I want to drop a decent amount of fat, but still save muscle without being on AAS?

Yes, you don't need to worry about catabolism provided you follow the diet strictly.

[Action]

Originally Posted by Nick!

Actually, if I was going to run a simple cycle with minimal water retention, while on the Palumbo diet...would 100mg of Test Prop EOD be good enough, or could I even get away with less Prop to minimize catabolism?

Bottom line is that running Keto or Palumbo with AAS is much better any day than without AAS for obvious reasons. I personally don't run a keto style diet when I'm off cycle. But could you run it off cycle and not experience muscle loss? Of course.

[Nick!]

Originally Posted by Under-Radar

keto main focus is to reduce bodyfat; of course your protein requirements needs to be right as well as other factors. now when doing your cardio you must keep yourself below or at 125 BPM. Also it is important that you keep a tab on your Bodyfat count by checking it on a weekly or bi-weekly basis. This is important so that you are only burning fat and not muscle. The only way i see anyone burning muscle on a keto or palumbo diet will be because most dont want to follow the equations

Originally Posted by Action

No, not at all, provided you stick to under 120 beats per minute and keep your protein levels high.

Yes, you don't need to worry about catabolism provided you follow the diet strictly.

Good deal. Here's the diet I'm going to follow, which I changed around from what you guys have posted a few times...

4:00am: MEAL #1 (Pre-Workout Meal)
5 whole eggs (make sure to buy OMEGA-3 EGGS from the supermarket. They contain virtually NO saturated fat and tons of good OMEGA-3 fats); add another 4 egg whites to this (they don?t need to be the Omega-3 ones; you can use liquid egg whites)

5:00-6:30am: Workout

6:45am: MEAL #2 (Post-Workout Meal)
SHAKE: 50g Whey Protein with 1 tablespoon of All Natural Peanut butter (no sugar)

9:00am: MEAL #3
SHAKE: 50g Whey Protein with 1 tablespoon of All Natural Peanut butter (no sugar added)

12:00pm: MEAL #4
"Lean Protein Meal": 8oz chicken with a green salad (no tomatoes, carrots, or red peppers) with 1 tablespoon of Olive Oil or Macadamia nut oil and vinegar & 1/2-cup cashew nuts (almonds, or walnuts)

3:00pm: MEAL #5
1/2-cup cashew nuts (almonds, or walnuts)

5:30pm: MEAL #6
"Fatty Protein Meal": 8oz Salmon, Swordfish, or RED MEAT with a green salad (no tomatoes, carrots, or red peppers) with 1 tablespoon of Olive Oil or Macadamia nut oil and vinegar

7:45pm: MEAL #7
SHAKE: 50g Whey with 1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter


I'm also guessing that I should change my workout around too? If so, is there a workout layed out somewhere that tells you what you should do when on the Palumbo diet?

Originally Posted by Action

Bottom line is that running Keto or Palumbo with AAS is much better any day than without AAS for obvious reasons. I personally don't run a keto style diet when I'm off cycle. But could you run it off cycle and not experience muscle loss? Of course.

OK, so I started my PCT today and will be running it for 6 weeks. I'm going to keep my carbs high from now until about 2 weeks after I finish PCT. At that time, since I'll be off AAS, would it be perfectly acceptable to start the Palumbo diet? So long as I follow the nutritional requirements he has to a T??

[Under-Radar]

Originally Posted by Nick!

Good deal. Here's the diet I'm going to follow, which I changed around from what you guys have posted a few times...

4:00am: MEAL #1 (Pre-Workout Meal)
5 whole eggs (make sure to buy OMEGA-3 EGGS from the supermarket. They contain virtually NO saturated fat and tons of good OMEGA-3 fats); add another 4 egg whites to this (they don?t need to be the Omega-3 ones; you can use liquid egg whites)

5:00-6:30am: Workout

6:45am: MEAL #2 (Post-Workout Meal)
SHAKE: 50g Whey Protein with 1 tablespoon of All Natural Peanut butter (no sugar)

9:00am: MEAL #3
SHAKE: 50g Whey Protein with 1 tablespoon of All Natural Peanut butter (no sugar added)

12:00pm: MEAL #4
"Lean Protein Meal": 8oz chicken with a green salad (no tomatoes, carrots, or red peppers) with 1 tablespoon of Olive Oil or Macadamia nut oil and vinegar & 1/2-cup cashew nuts (almonds, or walnuts)

3:00pm: MEAL #5
1/2-cup cashew nuts (almonds, or walnuts)

5:30pm: MEAL #6
"Fatty Protein Meal": 8oz Salmon, Swordfish, or RED MEAT with a green salad (no tomatoes, carrots, or red peppers) with 1 tablespoon of Olive Oil or Macadamia nut oil and vinegar

7:45pm: MEAL #7
SHAKE: 50g Whey with 1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter


I'm also guessing that I should change my workout around too? If so, is there a workout layed out somewhere that tells you what you should do when on the Palumbo diet?



OK, so I started my PCT today and will be running it for 6 weeks. I'm going to keep my carbs high from now until about 2 weeks after I finish PCT. At that time, since I'll be off AAS, would it be perfectly acceptable to start the Palumbo diet? So long as I follow the nutritional requirements he has to a T??

yes you could but that will all depend on how much bodyfat you have. you can simply employ the palumbo diet for 3-weeks or more; once again it depends on how much BF you are carrying

[Nick!]

Originally Posted by Under-Radar

yes you could but that will all depend on how much bodyfat you have. you can simply employ the palumbo diet for 3-weeks or more; once again it depends on how much BF you are carrying

Well, I haven't gotten my bf tested in a while, so I'm just taking a guess that I'm around 17 or 18%. I'd like to get to 10% or lower by the middle of June, so I'm willing to do just about anything it takes. The only reason I was asking about switching up my training is because I don't know if I should be going at a high intensity like I am now with this cycle, or if I should take it easy since I'm doing no carbs?

[Under-Radar]

Originally Posted by Nick!

Well, I haven't gotten my bf tested in a while, so I'm just taking a guess that I'm around 17 or 18%. I'd like to get to 10% or lower by the middle of June, so I'm willing to do just about anything it takes. The only reason I was asking about switching up my training is because I don't know if I should be going at a high intensity like I am now with this cycle, or if I should take it easy since I'm doing no carbs?

Dear brother you have not read many post on the keto or palumbo keto diet have you. Dont worrk about carbs; as most of your new found energy will come from the fats in your diet. remeber this ; carbs are and have never been a stable source of energy; but on the other hand fats are a better source and is utilized better than carbs. So no doubt you're going to love the energy and pumps you get from the diet.

[Nick!]

Originally Posted by Under-Radar

Dear brother you have not read many post on the keto or palumbo keto diet have you. Dont worrk about carbs; as most of your new found energy will come from the fats in your diet. remeber this ; carbs are and have never been a stable source of energy; but on the other hand fats are a better source and is utilized better than carbs. So no doubt you're going to love the energy and pumps you get from the diet.

Good enough for me! Thanks bro!!

[tom123]

been on this diet for around ten days. lost around 15lbs, strength is the same but im doing 6-8 reps to ensure no muscle loss.

energy levels are high and i read positive on the ketostix, ive done the ckd diet which is higher fat and <20g carbs and i was weak as hell.
the slightly higher carbs and higher protein is excellent.

excellent simple diet thanks for posting. it sucks not been able to drink when i go out though.

gonna have a big cheat meal on day 14 a massive carvery, turkey, beef, gammon, roast potatos vegetables hmmmm cant wait! you know the feeling! lol

[Under-Radar]

Originally Posted by tom123

been on this diet for around ten days. lost around 15lbs, strength is the same but im doing 6-8 reps to ensure no muscle loss.

energy levels are high and i read positive on the ketostix, ive done the ckd diet which is higher fat and <20g carbs and i was weak as hell.
the slightly higher carbs and higher protein is excellent.

excellent simple diet thanks for posting. it sucks not been able to drink when i go out though.

gonna have a big cheat meal on day 14 a massive carvery, turkey, beef, gammon, roast potatos vegetables hmmmm cant wait! you know the feeling! lol

damn looks like all is good. its great when you see someone doing the diet the way it is suppose to be. listen do eat up and eat some more. thats your reward for being a disciplkine test subject.

[Nick!]

Originally Posted by tom123

been on this diet for around ten days. lost around 15lbs, strength is the same but im doing 6-8 reps to ensure no muscle loss.

energy levels are high and i read positive on the ketostix, ive done the ckd diet which is higher fat and <20g carbs and i was weak as hell.
the slightly higher carbs and higher protein is excellent.

excellent simple diet thanks for posting. it sucks not been able to drink when i go out though.

gonna have a big cheat meal on day 14 a massive carvery, turkey, beef, gammon, roast potatos vegetables hmmmm cant wait! you know the feeling! lol

Damn bro! Those are some crazy results. Are you on AAS right now too, or just running the diet without the AAS' assistance?

[tom123]

yeah im on test enanthate 500mg/week. only week two though doubt its even kicked in.
been doing 30min on the bike every morning 100-110bpm very light, feel crazy energy levels after light cardio. and this week on 'no weights days' been doin 45min tredmill very slow (gives me chance to check out them sexy blonde birds asses)

the diet i prefer is:

6 omega whole eggs
peanut butter + whey
1.5 chick breasts + 1/2 cup cashews
peanut butter + whey
8oz salmon + mediteranian chargrilled veg (5g carbs, oh well)
peanut + whey

next week may do 25min walking after weights. cant believe how easy this diet and cardio is. i used to run in the morning and cut calories too much and lose way too much muscle.

this is a walk in the park literally from what ive tried before! lovin it!

sick of the cashew nuts thats all!!

[Nick!]

Originally Posted by tom123

yeah im on test enanthate 500mg/week. only week two though doubt its even kicked in.
been doing 30min on the bike every morning 100-110bpm very light, feel crazy energy levels after light cardio. and this week on 'no weights days' been doin 45min tredmill very slow (gives me chance to check out them sexy blonde birds asses)

the diet i prefer is:

6 omega whole eggs
peanut butter + whey
1.5 chick breasts + 1/2 cup cashews
peanut butter + whey
8oz salmon + mediteranian chargrilled veg (5g carbs, oh well)
peanut + whey

next week may do 25min walking after weights. cant believe how easy this diet and cardio is. i used to run in the morning and cut calories too much and lose way too much muscle.

this is a walk in the park literally from what ive tried before! lovin it!

sick of the cashew nuts thats all!!

That's awesome man. I can't wait to start this diet myself now!!

[Under-Radar]

Originally Posted by tom123

yeah im on test enanthate 500mg/week. Only week two though doubt its even kicked in.
Been doing 30min on the bike every morning 100-110bpm very light, feel crazy energy levels after light cardio. And this week on 'no weights days' been doin 45min tredmill very slow (gives me chance to check out them sexy blonde birds asses)

the diet i prefer is:

6 omega whole eggs
peanut butter + whey
1.5 chick breasts + 1/2 cup cashews
peanut butter + whey
8oz salmon + mediteranian chargrilled veg (5g carbs, oh well)
peanut + whey

next week may do 25min walking after weights. Cant believe how easy this diet and cardio is. I used to run in the morning and cut calories too much and lose way too much muscle.

This is a walk in the park literally from what ive tried before! Lovin it!

Sick of the cashew nuts thats all!!

you know you can alternate between almonds, and cashews. But i feel ya. Them damn things are so dry. Talk about cotton mouth.