Final thoughts

[benjih36]

ok guys so after more research I have come up with my final draft for my cycle. If you have any last min opinons please let me know. Could not afford HCG because I want to run a higher dose of Dbol. I want to use the clomid as an anti estrogen after the dbol and the nolv after test to bring things back down to normal. Does this look ok? or am I missing something here???

week 1-10 500mg test en/
week 1-6 40 mg dbol/
week7-10 50 mg of clomid day.
week 11-15 20 mg of nolv day.

supporting supplements--
Hawthorne berry (heart)
Liv-R-clear (liver)
All purpose multivitamin (everything)

[masswithclass]

You're probably not going to have many fans of the clomid here. I think supy posted something recently you could read that might help.

[beaverbaseball]

I agree....Or i'd atleast keep the clomid out untill you start PCT and just use it in conjunction with the nolva...Personally I plan on just using Nolva, hcg, and tribulas for my PCT...

[benjih36]

Do you think I'd be fine if I drop the clomid all together and stuck with the NOLV???

[yohimbe]

Originally Posted by benjih36

Do you think I'd be fine if I drop the clomid all together and stuck with the NOLV???

Yes, clomid is a mild estrogen and if you're prone to estrogen sides it can hit you. You also don't want to be running clomid while you still have high levels of test (from the enth half life) in your system because of the estrogen issues.

Do you have an anti e?

[benjih36]

I dont have an anti E , i thought the nolv would be fine as a pct. what would u reccomend for an anti E?

[Phosman40]

Some use Aramidex(Anastrozole),Aromasin (exemestane) for anti-E. Well i ran Test C (which Test E im reading is really similar in compounds) and the estrogen sides didnt hit me until weeks 5-6 and damn glad i ordered Aramidex(Anastrozole) for my anti-E. I take it all the way through at either .25mg - .50mg EOD(every other day) but that is just me. Some say dont take any anti-Es unless you show signs of estrogen sides but for me and my 2 cents i dont want any signs of estrogen to rear its ugly head, then if you keep the estrogen sides away then your other sides tend to not come about either of gyno etc. etc etc. But to each his own here. I would most definitely have your anti-es on hand if needed like Letrozole (Femara), also if your estrogen turns ugly on you and the anti-e doesnt work. Im a big fan of safety first ALWAYS. Good luck and be safe Brotha Big Bump with Yohimbe

[yohimbe]

Originally Posted by Phosman40

Well i ran Test C (which Test E im reading is really similar in compounds) and the estrogen sides didnt hit me until weeks 5-6 and damn glad i ordered Adimex(Anastrozole) for my anti-E. I take it all the way through a cycle at either.25mg-.50mg EOD(every other day) but that is just me. Some say dont take any anti-Es unless you show signs of estrogen sides but for me and my 2 cents i dont want any signs of estrogen to rear its ugly head, then if you keep the estrogen sides away then your other sides tend to not come about either of gyno etc. etc etc. But to each his own here. I would most definitely have your anti-es on hand and if needed Letro also if your estrogen turns ugly on you and the anti-e doesnt work. Im a big fan of safety first ALWAYS. Good luck and be safe Brotha

Bump Phos-Arimidex at 0.5mg ED or letro at 0.25mg EOD throughout the cycle, or at very least have on hand in case you have any problems.

Nolva is a SERM, it blocks the receptors but doesn't stop the conversion of test to estrogen, so when you stop taking it all the excess estrogen in your blood will be soaked up like a sponge. You need an anti e to stop the actual conversion to esotrogen.

[benjih36]

hmm, im glad you guys are experts on all this!! I was always confused because i thought nolv could be used as an anti est. Im gonna drop the clomid, for aromisn. that sounds good. .25mg a day, I agree I dont wanna risk any estrogen sides

[Phosman40]

Well Im no expert brotha and most of my stuff i do know now has come from a shit load of reading and studying and from alot of great guys on this board and other boards from past that have been a vital part of my success. I bet Yohimbe,Freak and others on here had a nickle for every question i have asked them over the past year or so. LOL Also there isnt any studid questions brotha at all. It does help though when people do their own searching on here first then if you cant find it then ask the Pros. Good luck and always be safe.

[alaski]

Originally Posted by benjih36

hmm, im glad you guys are experts on all this!! I was always confused because i thought nolv could be used as an anti est. Im gonna drop the clomid, for aromisn. that sounds good. .25mg a day, I agree I dont wanna risk any estrogen sides

Nolva is SERM not anti E. I would go with adex because it's cheaper than aromasin. Save your aromasin for your pct. adex is much more available in tab form than most of other anti e's. letro can be a little too strong for most during a cycle, as can eliminate 98% of your estrogen. You need estrogen for sex drive, immune system, and your joints. Bodybuilders will often use it before competion to give them that dry look, however, the use is usually a very short period. I don't like most of the liquid forms for anti E's. I think something is lost when it is mix with the solvent.