my 1st cycle needed advice

[happiness4us]

hi,you guys ,I 'm gonna run my first cycle.Im fresh to juice,after searching for info I made my cycle below.

８weeks.ｔｅｓｔ＋ｄｂｏｌ，ｄｂｏｌ　week 1-4 20mg　everyday．TEST E week 1-8 500mg　every week，nolvadex week 9-10 40mg everyday，week 11-12 20 mg everyday,clomid 50mg every day　along with nolvadex.

I told my friend this plan above.He gave me a modified one below:

D-bol:

WK1,2: 50mg everyday.
WK3,4 off.
WK 5,6,7 everyday.week
WK8 ff

Test E:

WK1-7:500mg every week
WK8ff

Test P:

WK8:500mg

Novedex XT by gasapari

WK1-8:2caps every day
WK8-12:4caps every day

Clomid:

WK1-12:50mg everyday

Nolvadex kept on hands just in case but not enssential if there is no gyno appearence.


But I don't really understand why he sugget me week1-2 d-bol on,week 3-4 off,week 5-7 d-bol on again.Besides he ask me to take novedex by gasapari along with juice instead of nolvadex as pct.

Here is his explanation :

for your level, try test e. It's hard to control the release rate of Sust. TP is a very short-acting. so forget about it

taking clomid at all times ensures your balls don't shrink as much. Doing a PCT post cycle is most stupid thing ever, as u gotta be on PCT when u just hit your cycle.

Prevention of shutdown of your natural test is our goal, not recovery.

Noveldex XT by Gaspari is an excellent cheap anti-e and legal too. Take 2 caps per day while on, and 4 caps a day when off. It will help u a lot on the libido part. and its action would prevent bitch tits.

Dbol for 1st couple weeks, just get your tolerance up. Take 2 weeks off, since at that time, TE kicks in. When you feel TE's power, but not enough, it's time to do another mini cycle on DBol. 3 weeks of 50mg Dbol will turn u into a monster. and one more week of TE just get u tapered down. ALthough I don't like the idea, you should be taking TP at the end of your cycle to ensure a better recovery and minimize estrogen side effects. Get tamoxifen on hand, just in case, as it's the best gyno fighter around but not a good wrestler with other sides related to estrogen.

So, good luck on this. and remember, PCT is bullshit. Prevention and active recovery is the key to maintain the most you get!

[davidbl769]

bro, first cycle ever. test 500mgs wk, split it into 2 shots per wk. 250 mg mon. 250 mg thurs. run cycle 8-10 wks. have nolva on hand incase your gyno prone. after cycle do the 22 day pct. you'll have great gains. you have to eat, train hard and get pleanty of rest. no offense don't listen to your friend or your wasting your time and money!!!!!!!!!!!!

[happiness4us]

Originally Posted by davidbl769

bro, first cycle ever. Test 500mgs wk, split it into 2 shots per wk. 250 mg mon. 250 mg thurs. Run cycle 8-10 wks. Have nolva on hand incase your gyno prone. After cycle do the 22 day pct. You'll have great gains. You have to eat, train hard and get pleanty of rest. No offense don't listen to your friend or your wasting your time and money!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[tom123]

you mate doesnt know shit, sounds like he knows a little which can be dangerous!!

clomid is a horrible drug and it wont prevent your bollocks shutting down, i think he's thinking of hcg which can be taken thru cycle to mimick LH which tells your testes to carry on as normal, but to be honest theres nothing wrong with temperary testicular atrophy. they go back to normal with a 22 day clomid/nolva pct like dave said. and if your body gets too much LH (hcg) it becomes de-sensitised which is permanent, therefore your bodys own LH wont be as effective and natural test may be lower.

As with the d'bol its used as a kickstart nothing more. 4wks straight will be fine. make sure you use 10mg-20mg while taking d'bol as it armotises into estrogen very quickly which is good as it gives you some water weight to help muscles grow.

and as for the prevention is everything pct is bullshit statement, the only prevention would be to not inject the drugs in the 1st place. all drugs effect the bodys natural control loops and feedback systems or recepters in some way and we need to get them back to normal asap.

[happiness4us]

Originally Posted by tom123

you mate doesnt know shit, sounds like he knows a little which can be dangerous!!

clomid is a horrible drug and it wont prevent your bollocks shutting down, i think he's thinking of hcg which can be taken thru cycle to mimick LH which tells your testes to carry on as normal, but to be honest theres nothing wrong with temperary testicular atrophy. they go back to normal with a 22 day clomid/nolva pct like dave said. and if your body gets too much LH (hcg) it becomes de-sensitised which is permanent, therefore your bodys own LH wont be as effective and natural test may be lower.

As with the d'bol its used as a kickstart nothing more. 4wks straight will be fine. make sure you use 10mg-20mg while taking d'bol as it armotises into estrogen very quickly which is good as it gives you some water weight to help muscles grow.

and as for the prevention is everything pct is bullshit statement, the only prevention would be to not inject the drugs in the 1st place. all drugs effect the bodys natural control loops and feedback systems or recepters in some way and we need to get them back to normal asap.

so bro,what should my cycle be? is my original one ok? any suggestion ?

[tom123]

do 12 weeks of test e at 500mg/week. you can inject once a week, probably better since your new to injections.

you can stack the d'bol for 4-6 weeks at 40mg/day with 10mg of nolvadex/day.

then 10days after the last injection do the 22 day PCT.

you'll gain around 20lb in the 1st two weeks, mainly water then you'll put another 10-30lb on over the course. Just make sure your diet is in check. And dont panic when the water weight comes off, get some creatine, glutamine, tribulus, AAKG etc in ya with your PCT

The 1st cycle is the best by far in terms of dramatic change if done correctly.

[happiness4us]

Originally Posted by tom123

do 12 weeks of test e at 500mg/week. you can inject once a week, probably better since your new to injections.

you can stack the d'bol for 4-6 weeks at 40mg/day with 10mg of nolvadex/day.

then 10days after the last injection do the 22 day PCT.

you'll gain around 20lb in the 1st two weeks, mainly water then you'll put another 10-30lb on over the course. Just make sure your diet is in check. And dont panic when the water weight comes off, get some creatine, glutamine, tribulus, AAKG etc in ya with your PCT

The 1st cycle is the best by far in terms of dramatic change if done correctly.

thanks bro

so you mean I need to take nolvadex along with d-bol for 4-6weeks? is test potent itself after the d-dol dosage ,from week 5 when I stop dosing d-bol?can I still gain lean mass after the 4-6weeks of d-bol dosage?

what liver protector should I take,if I need to preload 1 week before cycle and also take it along with 22days pct.

do I need to get clomid?I only need to stack nolvadex for week1 to 6?how about the rest?shoul it be in pct cart?

Thanks bro

[tom123]

Originally Posted by happiness4us

thanks bro

so you mean I need to take nolvadex along with d-bol for 4-6weeks? is test potent itself after the d-dol dosage ,from week 5 when I stop dosing d-bol?can I still gain lean mass after the 4-6weeks of d-bol dosage?

what liver protector should I take,if I need to preload 1 week before cycle and also take it along with 22days pct.

do I need to get clomid?I only need to stack nolvadex for week1 to 6?how about the rest?shoul it be in pct cart?

Thanks bro

yes during cycle i recommend the nolva just with the d-bol.

week 6 is where the test size and strength gains start. d-bol gains are not quality gains they just watery mushy gains, but the water weight sets up a great environment to grow.

read actions 22 day pct it does include clomid and nolva.

[davidbl769]

BRO, before you start putting stuff into your body, you need to do alot of reading.

[tom123]

Originally Posted by davidbl769

BRO, before you start putting stuff into your body, you need to do alot of reading.

thats a good point, spend a few solid days researching before you cross over to the dark side.
Its best to be fully informed before you start jabbing away. I like to read everything I possibly can and know the risks before i do something especially if it effects my health.
Make sure you look into the side effects, gyno, acne, loss of libido, high blood pressure, high cholestrol and the worst of all penile shrinkage which Action knows about all too well....

[signal22]

Tom & Dave have got you covered "happiness4us".... don't listen to your mate, he's talking shit.

[happiness4us]

Hi,Tom and Dave,thanks you guys.I read some article from some web,it says that trainees don't have to take nolvadex along with cycle but pct,only in case you feel sore on nipple or notice the sign of gyno.Some one say you don't have to take nolvadex on cycle until you got nipple soreness.is that truth?

I just wanna figuer out the optimum day to start taking nolvadex,it should be the first day on cycle or the time I feel sore on nipple.pls let me know.thanks in advance.bro

besides ,if I take nolv along with d-bol,will the potency of juice get reduced by the nolv?

Thanks.I know I aksed many silly questions but please understand I am an novice:

P.S. how many lbs can I expect to gain after pct?

[davidbl769]

when you buy your gear for your cycle, buy the stuff you need for your pct at the same time.(always). nolvadex is used mainly for pct, but if your on the cycle and you feel or see signs of gyno it is then used to combat the gyno.and then you add it into the cycle. if this is your 1st cycle, please stick to just testosterone only. do 8-10 wk cycle. you just don't take steroids and see results, unless you train hard, eat proper, get pleanty of rest. as far as what your results will be, pretty much depends on you. after a cycle you still have to continue all the proper training. everybody is different. when i train i expect to keep 85-90% of what i gained. it's a way of life. just like anything. you have to stay disciplined, or you will fail. so read , ask questions, get focused on your goals and you can suceed at weight training ,with taking the proper amount of gear without abussing it. it all depends on you!

[happiness4us]

Originally Posted by davidbl769

when you buy your gear for your cycle, buy the stuff you need for your pct at the same time.(always). nolvadex is used mainly for pct, but if your on the cycle and you feel or see signs of gyno it is then used to combat the gyno.and then you add it into the cycle. if this is your 1st cycle, please stick to just testosterone only. do 8-10 wk cycle. you just don't take steroids and see results, unless you train hard, eat proper, get pleanty of rest. as far as what your results will be, pretty much depends on you. after a cycle you still have to continue all the proper training. everybody is different. when i train i expect to keep 85-90% of what i gained. it's a way of life. just like anything. you have to stay disciplined, or you will fail. so read , ask questions, get focused on your goals and you can suceed at weight training ,with taking the proper amount of gear without abussing it. it all depends on you!

Hi,bro,I started training for 9 months only but I feel I have almost reach my limit.I am asian ,5'8'',170lbs currently.9 months ago I weighted 144lbs.same height.I packed on 26lbs of lean mass on my body within the past 9 months.Actually 8 months since I did not make any improvement the last month.

My heaviest weight was 185lbs 2 months ago when I just finished the m1t cycle.actually if you don't consider m1t as roids ,the coming d-bol stacked test cycle should be my 1st roids cycle.You might assume I am the type of person who's in high school and pretty skinny and know nothing about weightlifting ,just heard from friend that roids are the only reason why many guy look huge in gym.but actually I learned a lot about training and dieting ,I do not say I learned enough but actually I did learn alot.I know my own physique.My current status is:16inches arms ,43.5inches chest and 31 inches waist,my thighs are 24'', seem small but my calves are as well as my arms.

you might think my weight lifting history is as short as not enough to stick in to roids but please notice I am asian type.actually I talked to many big asian guy in gym,they have small bone as well as I do,they just look 10 lbs up then me,vvery little bigger then me,but all the result took them spent almost 3-5years in gym and watching diet.we asian guys are not built in any sports,any way compare most asian guys I have done a good job.I don't have xtra fat actually,I am not really toned but my abs are visible.I know I can still pack on mass naturally but the progrress taper off ,fu* kin slow.I can actually gain fat easier and faster then gain muscle since I realize I am few sizing out my genetic limit.So I decide to run a roids cycle to bulk myself up to 185lbs,maitain the same bf rate

I plan to do 8 weeks only,4week initially front load d-bol,week1-8 throughout taking Test E,that sounds good?or maybe I need to extend the test injection to week 10?

plus,can you give me any suggestion to maitain my bf rate while bulking?I can accept few pounds ,say less than 5lbs fat added ,but really don't wanna switch to big bear type of physique when I done the cycle.do cardion work for fat maitaining ?say 20mins a day,5 times a week? do I need to taper up the number of grams of the cards intake to sky high?or mideum cards , high protein and medium fat?really need you guys help for suggestion.

Thanks in advance

[aliangshisb72748]

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[zidane9979]

Originally Posted by happiness4us

Hi,bro,I started training for 9 months only but I feel I have almost reach my limit.I am asian ,5'8'',170lbs currently.9 months ago I weighted 144lbs.same height.I packed on 26lbs of lean mass on my body within the past 9 months.Actually 8 months since I did not make any improvement the last month.

My heaviest weight was 185lbs 2 months ago when I just finished the m1t cycle.actually if you don't consider m1t as roids ,the coming d-bol stacked test cycle should be my 1st roids cycle.You might assume I am the type of person who's in high school and pretty skinny and know nothing about weightlifting ,just heard from friend that roids are the only reason why many guy look huge in gym.but actually I learned a lot about training and dieting ,I do not say I learned enough but actually I did learn alot.I know my own physique.My current status is:16inches arms ,43.5inches chest and 31 inches waist,my thighs are 24'', seem small but my calves are as well as my arms.

you might think my weight lifting history is as short as not enough to stick in to roids but please notice I am asian type.actually I talked to many big asian guy in gym,they have small bone as well as I do,they just look 10 lbs up then me,vvery little bigger then me,but all the result took them spent almost 3-5years in gym and watching diet.we asian guys are not built in any sports,any way compare most asian guys I have done a good job.I don't have xtra fat actually,I am not really toned but my abs are visible.I know I can still pack on mass naturally but the progrress taper off ,fu* kin slow.I can actually gain fat easier and faster then gain muscle since I realize I am few sizing out my genetic limit.So I decide to run a roids cycle to bulk myself up to 185lbs,maitain the same bf rate

I plan to do 8 weeks only,4week initially front load d-bol,week1-8 throughout taking Test E,that sounds good?or maybe I need to extend the test injection to week 10?

plus,can you give me any suggestion to maitain my bf rate while bulking?I can accept few pounds ,say less than 5lbs fat added ,but really don't wanna switch to big bear type of physique when I done the cycle.do cardion work for fat maitaining ?say 20mins a day,5 times a week? do I need to taper up the number of grams of the cards intake to sky high?or mideum cards , high protein and medium fat?really need you guys help for suggestion.

Thanks in advance

you can control the fat gain by eating clean, good carbs, good fats (EFA's) as for the test i would recommend atleast 12 weeks of test E but u dont have to frontload for 4 weeks , to frontload its just once, so put ur plan of the cycle on here so we can take a look

[zidane9979]

Originally Posted by happiness4us

hi,you guys ,I 'm gonna run my first cycle.Im fresh to juice,after searching for info I made my cycle below.


I told my friend this plan above.He gave me a modified one below:

D-bol:

WK1,2: 50mg everyday.
WK3,4 off.
WK 5,6,7 everyday.week
WK8 ff

Test E:

WK1-7:500mg every week
WK8ff

Test P:

WK8:500mg

Novedex XT by gasapari

WK1-8:2caps every day
WK8-12:4caps every day

Clomid:

WK1-12:50mg everyday

Nolvadex kept on hands just in case but not enssential if there is no gyno appearence.


But I don't really understand why he sugget me week1-2 d-bol on,week 3-4 off,week 5-7 d-bol on again.Besides he ask me to take novedex by gasapari along with juice instead of nolvadex as pct.

Here is his explanation :

for your level, try test e. It's hard to control the release rate of Sust. TP is a very short-acting. so forget about it

taking clomid at all times ensures your balls don't shrink as much. Doing a PCT post cycle is most stupid thing ever, as u gotta be on PCT when u just hit your cycle.

Prevention of shutdown of your natural test is our goal, not recovery.

Noveldex XT by Gaspari is an excellent cheap anti-e and legal too. Take 2 caps per day while on, and 4 caps a day when off. It will help u a lot on the libido part. and its action would prevent bitch tits.

Dbol for 1st couple weeks, just get your tolerance up. Take 2 weeks off, since at that time, TE kicks in. When you feel TE's power, but not enough, it's time to do another mini cycle on DBol. 3 weeks of 50mg Dbol will turn u into a monster. and one more week of TE just get u tapered down. ALthough I don't like the idea, you should be taking TP at the end of your cycle to ensure a better recovery and minimize estrogen side effects. Get tamoxifen on hand, just in case, as it's the best gyno fighter around but not a good wrestler with other sides related to estrogen.

So, good luck on this. and remember, PCT is bullshit. Prevention and active recovery is the key to maintain the most you get!

well though some people can go with a heavy pct, without PCT you can lose ALL your hard earned gains

[Replicator]

Maureen you are a MORON!!!!!!!!!

WTF are U posting this shit in this guys thread for.


post I am on about has now been deleted by BAdstone

rep

[Replicator]

Originally Posted by davidbl769

bro, first cycle ever. test 500mgs wk, split it into 2 shots per wk. 250 mg mon. 250 mg thurs. run cycle 8-10 wks. have nolva on hand incase your gyno prone. after cycle do the 22 day pct. you'll have great gains. you have to eat, train hard and get pleanty of rest. no offense don't listen to your friend or your wasting your time and money!!!!!!!!!!!!

Happiness
Do your self a big favour..dont complicate something that is very simple
Keep it simple and follow the advice given you by Davidbl above
REP

[Gman]

Damn Rep this is one old thread why are you posting on it? Did I miss something?

[Replicator]

I came in onit when a scammer posted hence my post above ...badstone has now deleted that post .........any way without realising dates i just answeed it
Im a dunderhead !
REP

[muscle8g]

i beleive ive found a good company to buy from now
what to buy ive been all over the web and read hours
of info on first cycles no two are the same
some say test some no test some win depot some deca and d-bol
I know this my be an old topic for you guys but i just found this site today
PEASE HELP 40yrs+ in need of guidence

[^mR.]

Muscle you should probably do a proper introduction what your goals are what your stats are atm how long u been lifting we are going to need a bit more info to help you out. Plus you should make a new thread.

[muscle8g]

im
510' 41-waist down from 50
235lbs- down from 280+
22-25% bodyfat
44yrs old
lifting for 2yrs 14 months serious 4times a week
Wants
36-38 waist
220-230lbs
8-10% bodyfat
i like my body size. i just want a wider back and muscles on it
ill learn how to make a thread today when i get off

[CompBB]

I would run some tren/mast/oral winny/test250 for a good 8wks and go from there..