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Old 02-02-2015, 09:54 PM
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I'm at 25BF% (according to my foot scale, not sure how accurate those are) now and would love to get it down faster. 30 years, 5' 8.5", 187lbs. 3-4 years of lifting on/off.

My diet (the most important part) is now excellent (after months of eating junk and gaining over 20 pounds). Eating a clean diet with a calorie deficit, high protein, moderate carbs, low fat. Stopped drinking booze.

I do 30min cardio (P90X3) 7 times a week and resistance training 4 times a week (Wendler's 5/3/1).

I know high bf is bad because of increased change for sides, but wouldn't using an AI combat that? Another problem being overweight would be blood pressure, how dangerous would that be?

So any safe way to cycle something at such a high BF%? I was thinking of just doing the same thing I did for my first and only cycle couple of years ago (I think I was about 18 BF% back then):

Cycle
week 1 frontload Test E 1000mg
week 2-10 Test E 500mg/week
week 1-10 Arimidex .50mg EOD

PCT
Week 14 - 50mg Clomid & 40mg Nolvadex ED
Week 15 - 50mg Clomid & 40mg Nolvadex ED
Week 16 - 50mg Clomid & 20mg Nolvadex ED


Week 17 - 25mg Clomid & 20mg Nolvadex ED

The first time this cycle went fine. I did detect a small lump under my nipple and then started taking the AI. No problem there.


I'm planning to start the cycle in April, so I can drop some of the body fat before that (5%?)

Also I've heard of ephedrine for cutting, but I don't really knwo much about it. Would that be an option?

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Doing a cycle and getting lean are 2 separate things. The steroids will help with your energy and strength but to get lean it's up to you to cut down the calories... big time... some of the bb's on here could give you the best advice on nutrition and supplements that they use to get competition ready, clenbuterol is one.
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Clen, eh? I'll look into it. More info appreciated.
Any other suggestions to help with fat loss?

Nutrition guidance also appreciated. This has been my diet two months now: 1700-2000 kcal depending on how much calories I spend. 50% protein, 25% carbs, 25% fat. Chicken, pork, lean red meat, tuna, salmon, low fat cottage cheese, skim milk, veggies, oats, brown rice, recovery drink, whey protein drink, 3 liters of water a day, creatine, animal pak, omega 3 caps, green tea caps, a cup of coffee and/or green tea/day.

I spend about 300-500 calories on cardio 6-7 times a week. I havent checked what I spend at the gym.

edit: Read a little about clen + T3 for cutting. Sounds pretty good to me. Any opinions on doing that now (March/April) and saving the AAS cycle for when my BF% is around 15?

Also found this: Salbutamol/albuterol. experiences?

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What do you guys recommend Ephedrine or Clen + t3?

I could also get some Winny or Dianabol now locally, would adding Winny to clen + t3 be a good idea to combat potential muscle loss from t3? All of them would be orals, would that be a problem liver wise?

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How does this look?

Banana for potassium
L-Taurine to combat cramps
Milk thistle for liver
Day 1 - 20 Winny 50mg ED
Day 1 Clen 40mcg / T3 50mcg
Day 2 Clen 60mcg / T3 50mcg
Day 3 Clen 80mcg / T3 75mcg
Day 4 Clen 80mcg / T3 75mcg
Day 5 Clen 80mcg / T3 75mcg
Day 6 Clen 80mcg / T3 75mcg
Day 7 Clen 100mcg / T3 75mcg
Day 8 Clen off / T3 100mcg
Day 9 Clen off / T3 100mcg
Day10 Clen off / T3 100mcg
Day11 Clen off / T3 100mcg
Day12 Clen off / T3 100mcg
Day13 Clen off / T3 100mcg
Day14 Clen off / T3 100mcg
Day15 Clen 100mcg / T3 100mcg
Day16 Clen 100mcg / T3 100mcg
Day17 Clen 100mcg / T3 100mcg
Day18 Clen 100mcg / T3 100mcg
Day19 Clen 100mcg / T3 100mcg
Day20 Clen 100mcg / T3 100mcg
Day21 Clen 100mcg / T3 100mcg
Day22 Clen off / T3 100mcg
Day23 Clen off / T3 100mcg
Day24 Clen off / T3 100mcg
Day25 Clen off / T3 100mcg
Day26 Clen off / T3 100mcg
Day27 Clen off / T3 100mcg
Day28 Clen off / T3 100mcg
Day29 Clen 100mcg / T3 75mcg
Day30 Clen 100mcg / T3 75mcg
Day31 Clen 100mcg / T3 75mcg
Day32 Clen 100mcg / T3 75mcg
Day33 Clen 100mcg / T3 75mcg
Day34 Clen 100mcg / T3 50mcg
Day35 Clen 100mcg / T3 50mcg
Day36 Clen off / T3 50mcg
Day37 Clen off / T3 50mcg
Day38 Clen off / T3 25mcg
Day39 Clen off / T3 25mcg
Day40 Clen off / T3 25mcg
Day41 Clen off / T3 25mcg
Day42 Clen off / T3 25mcg

PCT?


Or should I just do the ephedrine (eca stack) first:

Banana for potassium
Day 1 - test dose, take 100mg C 15mg E
Day 2-4 - 100mg C 15mg E, 2x
Day 5-7 - 200mg C 15mg E, 2x
Day 8-14 - 300mg C 30mg E first dose, 15mg E second dose
Day 14+ - 300mg C 30mg E, 2x

A total of 100x30mg pills

Maybe 100mg aspirin/day?

PCT?

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your depending on drugs to help you to much. do a ketosis diet or a modified ketosis diet and your cycle with an AI like Aromasin. your worried about your heart using AAS, but you have no trouble choking down ECA or Clen. WTF!
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your depending on drugs to help you to much. do a ketosis diet or a modified ketosis diet and your cycle with an AI like Aromasin. your worried about your heart using AAS, but you have no trouble choking down ECA or Clen. WTF!
Are they bad for your heart? See this is why I'm asking this stuff
So you're saying test e + aromasin would be better to lower body fat % than eca or clen then? The AI will keep gyno away even at over 20% bf? See I was thinking of doing a cut now with clen or eca, and save the test for when I'm at a good BF% and want to bulk up.

I will look into ketosis diet. Good info/links on that also appreciated. Would continuing the p90x/Wendlers 5/3/1 be ok while doing a keto diet? Does the lack of carbs make you tired? I can't afford to be too tired now because I have to finish my thesis and writing when tired just doesn't work...

Edit: here ECA stack is recommended with keto diet, tho: CKD Diet, Quick Guide

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yes ECA and clen are bad for the heart. the AI will keep you from getting gyno, unless you already have gyno. the AI will keep it from getting worse. look in the Nutrition section here. watch Milos videos and look at ketosis diets. you can do any kind of training you want.
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Thanks for the help man!
Looking into keto diet now, it sounds interesting
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OK, did some reading on it.
Made this guide for myself according to Admins CKD post. How does this look?

Sun - Fri
140 LBM x 4 = 560 calories from protein
187 pounds x 15 = 2805 maintain cals - 500 = 2305 cutting cals - 560 = 1745 cals from fat
Calories: 2305
Protein: 140 grams, 560 cals
Fat: 194 grams, 1745 cals
Carbs: max 15g

As you go deeper into the diet, and find the need to restrict calories more, you must cut fat calories, not protein.
Eat fat and protein all day everyday except on workout days. After workouts, you will need to consume just protein—no fat or carbs.
Friday afternoon, around two hours before your last workout of the week, eat two to three pieces of fruit.

The weekend carb load (Fri night - Sat midnight)
Your "carb-up" should begin Friday night and last until around midnight Saturday.
64kg LBM x 10 = 640 grams of carbs
After friday workout: 100g carbs + 50g protein in a whey shake. 640 - 100 = 540g
Spread out over the compensation period:
Protein: 140g
Fat: Below 65g
Carbs: 540g


Training (5/3/1)
Mon: Military Press + P90X3 Incinerator or Challenge
Tue: Deadlift + assistance exercises
Wed: Cardio
Thu: Bench + P90X3 Eccentric Upper or Complex Upper
Fri: Squat + assistance exercises
Sat/Sun: Rest/stretching

Heres what those P90X workouts entail:
Eccentric Upper:
All exercises: 10 reps; 3 counts eccentric, 1 count concentric
01 Standard Push-Ups
02 Standard Pull-Ups
03 Military Press
04 Military Push-Ups
05Chin-Ups
06 Deep Swimmer’s Press
07Fly Push-Ups
08 V Pull-Ups
09 Upright Hammer Pull
10 Staggered
Push-Ups
(5 reps each side)
11 Rocket Launcher Row
12 Lateral/Anterior Raise
(12 reps)
13 Plyo Push-Ups
14 Vaulter Pull-Ups
(5 reps each side)
15 Pterodactyl Flys
16 Rocket Launcher
Kickback
17 Flip Flop Combo
18 Tricep Skyfers
(5 reps each side)
19 Kneeling Preacher Curl
BURNOUT

Complex Upper:
COMPLEX (4 rounds of 5 exercises)
R O U N D 1
01 Slow Mo Chin-Ups (12 reps)
02 X Plyo Push-Ups (8 reps)
03 Lunge Thrust Press (12 reps)
04 W Pull-Ups (12 reps)
05 Push-Up Bird
Dog Crunch (12 reps)
R O U N D 2
same
R O U N D 3
same
R O U N D 4
same
BURNOUT

Incinerator:
01 Renegade Row (10 reps)
02 Pull-Ups
03 Floor Flys
04 Push-Ups
05Rocket Launcher Row (10 reps)
06 Chin-Ups
07“A” Press (10 reps)
08 Military Push-Ups
09 Monkey Pump (8 reps)
10 Pike Press
11 Pterodactyl Flys (10 reps)
12 Flipper
13 Popeye Hammer Curls (10 reps)
14Kneeler Curls
15 Hail to the Chief (10 reps)
16 Skyfers
17 Arm and Hammer (10 reps)
18 Rocket Launcher Kickbacks
BURNOUT

The Challenge:
Pick a number for push-ups, another for pull-ups. Hit that number for every exercise.
01 Wide Pull-Up
02 Standard Push-Up
03 Wide Pull-Up
04 Standard Push-Up
05Chin-Up
06 Military Push-Up
07Chin-Up
08 Military Push-Up
09 Close Grip Pull-Up
10 Wide Push-Up
11 Close Grip Pull-Up
12 Wide Push-Up
13 Vaulter Pull-Up –
Right Hand Forward
14 Staggered Push-Up –
Right Hand Forward
15 Vaulter Pull-Up –
Left Hand Forward
16 Staggered Push-Up –
Left Hand Forward
BURNOUT

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Here it says to workout on Sunday after carb loading: Bodybuilding.com - Bulking With The Cyclic Ketogenic Diet!
What are the best days to workout?

Is diet soda ok to drink? How about hard liquor sometimes on carb up day?

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minimum 1g per pound of protein a day to maintain muscle mass.
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I'm not a competing bb. But I got some advice for you. Your thinking you can take a bunch different drugs to get you where you wanna be in a hurry.None us will tell you drugs don't work. Cause they do. But I've said this before. You need to settle into a nice groove with training, nutrition, and recuperation.

Ain't anything wrong with getting amped up and wanting to go after what you want. But even with the drugs guys find it takes more time then they thought.What you really need is a lifestyle change. Working hard over years is what really gets you the body you want. Lifting on and off for 3 years ain't it. Sure, some people can go 3 months and drop all the weight and keep the muscle. But most cant. They burn out.

It's sounds like your on the right path, maybe. I'd watch out for overtraining. Keep reading. Sounds like you are. Read everything here, and anywhere else you can get good info. Some will be the same. But you will find slightly different info about the same subject.
F.or a guy like you ain't dam thing wrong of going right back to the 500 of test a week. I'd perhaps run a dht with it. Winn is cheap. And usually get your hands on good grade shit.

Clem and to and other stuff maybe best suited to guys that have more experience. But anyway don't just think of 3 or 4 months. Settle for the long haul. And new lifestyle. That works 100% everytime. Good luck
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Can anyone recommend a good protein powder to go with a ketosis diet?
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Can anyone recommend a good protein powder to go with a ketosis diet?


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I prefer CFM Whey.
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I'm not a competing bb. But I got some advice for you. Your thinking you can take a bunch different drugs to get you where you wanna be in a hurry.None us will tell you drugs don't work. Cause they do. But I've said this before. You need to settle into a nice groove with training, nutrition, and recuperation.

Ain't anything wrong with getting amped up and wanting to go after what you want. But even with the drugs guys find it takes more time then they thought.What you really need is a lifestyle change. Working hard over years is what really gets you the body you want. Lifting on and off for 3 years ain't it. Sure, some people can go 3 months and drop all the weight and keep the muscle. But most cant. They burn out.

It's sounds like your on the right path, maybe. I'd watch out for overtraining. Keep reading. Sounds like you are. Read everything here, and anywhere else you can get good info. Some will be the same. But you will find slightly different info about the same subject.
F.or a guy like you ain't dam thing wrong of going right back to the 500 of test a week. I'd perhaps run a dht with it. Winn is cheap. And usually get your hands on good grade shit.

Clem and to and other stuff maybe best suited to guys that have more experience. But anyway don't just think of 3 or 4 months. Settle for the long haul. And new lifestyle. That works 100% everytime. Good luck


what Celtic said.
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minimum 1g per pound of protein a day to maintain muscle mass.
I went with what Admin said in his CKD post. 1g of protein per Lean body mass pounds: CKD Diet, Quick Guide

I still need to read more about keto, before I lock the numbers down.
I should probably use the Nutrition threads section for the rest of this. i'll look into the test cycle in a couple of months, when I hopefully have this keto thing going smoothly. Keto diet does seem to be have a fair share of critics as well, but I'm pretty sure Iäm giving it a go.

I get what you're saying celtic. Long term lifestyle change is the ultimate goal here. But of course short term I want to get some of this BF off for summer
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I went with what Admin said in his CKD post. 1g of protein per Lean body mass pounds: CKD Diet, Quick Guide

I still need to read more about keto, before I lock the numbers down.
I should probably use the Nutrition threads section for the rest of this. i'll look into the test cycle in a couple of months, when I hopefully have this keto thing going smoothly. Keto diet does seem to be have a fair share of critics as well, but I'm pretty sure Iäm giving it a go.

I get what you're saying celtic. Long term lifestyle change is the ultimate goal here. But of course short term I want to get some of this BF off for summer



the critics is the medical industry not wanting you to be healthy without having to take Pharma drugs, plus all the people that think you shouldn't eat meat. Ketosis and Paleo diets are the healthiest ways of life. you do not get fat from eating fat. you get fat from eating to many carbs and to much fat. carbs is the main culprit. carbs will make you a diabetic and give you other health issues.
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Hey now we aren't all bad in the medical field.

keto and paleo diets ftw.

you are what you eat.
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I'm not a competing bb. But I got some advice for you. Your thinking you can take a bunch different drugs to get you where you wanna be in a hurry.None us will tell you drugs don't work. Cause they do. But I've said this before. You need to settle into a nice groove with training, nutrition, and recuperation.

Ain't anything wrong with getting amped up and wanting to go after what you want. But even with the drugs guys find it takes more time then they thought.What you really need is a lifestyle change. Working hard over years is what really gets you the body you want. Lifting on and off for 3 years ain't it. Sure, some people can go 3 months and drop all the weight and keep the muscle. But most cant. They burn out.

It's sounds like your on the right path, maybe. I'd watch out for overtraining. Keep reading. Sounds like you are. Read everything here, and anywhere else you can get good info. Some will be the same. But you will find slightly different info about the same subject.
F.or a guy like you ain't dam thing wrong of going right back to the 500 of test a week. I'd perhaps run a dht with it. Winn is cheap. And usually get your hands on good grade shit.

Clem and to and other stuff maybe best suited to guys that have more experience. But anyway don't just think of 3 or 4 months. Settle for the long haul. And new lifestyle. That works 100% everytime. Good luck

Oh man.!
This is like the best ever advice.
Good to know we have guys in here that know what the deal is.
Very well said Celtic.
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I truly believe what your are saying buddy and you have to work very hard to get cut up and stay very focused on your goals and I believe everything you wrote down there! Keep it going brother, thanks for the advice
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So, I've dropped my BF to under 23 now. Lifting 3 times a week, doing sports 2-3 times a week.

This is what I was thinking for next month:
Training
Lifting 4 times a week, doing sports 2-3 times a week, 40min walk a few times a week.

Diet
2100 cals, 130g carbs, 80g fat, 210g protein

Cycle
week 1 frontload Test Cyp 1000mg
week 2-9 Test Cyp 500mg/week
week 1-9 Arimidex .50mg EOD

PCT
Week 13 - 50mg Clomid
Week 14 - 50mg Clomid
Week 15 - 50mg Clomid
Week 16 - 25mg Clomid

Maybe adding Winny or Tren A. Which one you would recommend and what dosage?

The most important thing is cutting the fat. Of course some muscle gains would be good too... Should I up the cals some?

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Have you ever cycled before? Tren is not for the beginner.
one Test E only cycle. Maybe winny then (week 4-9 50mg ED)? Or test only

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Hmm, hows this look?

Training
Lifting 4 times a week, doing sports 2-3 times a week, 40min walk a few times a week.

Diet
2100 cals
Carbs 25% 131.0 g
Fat 25% 58.0 g
Protein 50% 263.0 g

Cycle
week 1 frontload Test Cyp 1000mg
week 2-9 Test Cyp 500mg/week (250mg 2x/wk)
week 1-9 Arimidex .50mg EOD
week 10-11 Arimidex .25mg EOD
week 6-11 Winny 50mg ED

PCT
Week 12 - 50mg Clomid
Week 13 - 50mg Clomid
Week 14 - 50mg Clomid
Week 15 - 25mg Clomid
Ghrp-6 or Clen during PCT and beyond

No Nolva available, is that ok?

2ml syringe, 1inch 25ga needle (pinning thigh)

I'm thinking now I should probably lower my carbs to avoid bloat at this BF?

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