SARMs S4 - Keep Gains, Bridge, No HPTA inhibition

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Been reading up on this new compound called SARMs S4 (Selective Andrgen Receptor Modulators) and it seems like a very promising new drug that gives anabolic effects similar to mild steroid without sides or need for PCT. Check out this write up by Anthony Roberts I found here: www.sarmsinfo.com

[Chal]

Interesting stuff. Sounds like it would be good pc. Especially for older guys whos test levels can't come back up do to age. It would allow to come off to regain optimal lipids and not lose gains due to low test levels. The vision issue is a concern though. Nice to have the option tho..thanks BT.

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Originally Posted by Chal

Interesting stuff. Sounds like it would be good pc. Especially for older guys whos test levels can't come back up do to age. It would allow to come off to regain optimal lipids and not lose gains due to low test levels. The vision issue is a concern though. Nice to have the option tho..thanks BT.

Yea, I would imagine that if you stick to the lower end of dosage which would be 1mg/kg body weight, it wouldn't be so bad. The stuff is expensive as shit though which puts it out of reach for many. 15 days worth for me at the 1mg/kg bw would cost me $140+shipping every 15 days. F that!

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Updated your link to the site, Anthony Roberts and I created it, SARMS Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators | Sport Bodybuilding And Steroid Use. He did most of the work, of course.

[Chal]

Originally Posted by breakthrough

Yea, I would imagine that if you stick to the lower end of dosage which would be 1mg/kg body weight, it wouldn't be so bad. The stuff is expensive as shit though which puts it out of reach for many. 15 days worth for me at the 1mg/kg bw would cost me $140+shipping every 15 days. F that!

Yeah it's a bit pricey. I haven't heard of it till now and would like to hear more about it. Sounds promising though. I saw that Ir-drgn has it but I found another site that costs even more (like 160) but looks to be a liquid rather than the spoogey stuff you get from Ir-drgn. If I give it a go I'll give them a try..it appears to be the only research chem they carry btw. I'll shoot ya a PM.

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Originally Posted by Chal

Yeah it's a bit pricey. I haven't heard of it till now and would like to hear more about it. Sounds promising though. I saw that Ir-drgn has it but I found another site that costs even more (like 160) but looks to be a liquid rather than the spoogey stuff you get from Ir-drgn. If I give it a go I'll give them a try..it appears to be the only research chem they carry btw. I'll shoot ya a PM.

I would never buy anything from irondragon again. I saw test results on some of there stuff on another board and the stuff was half dosed! I'll stick with ar-r for most stuff I get from research companies even though it's a bit on the high side for prices. Their products that I've seen test results for were 100%. The site you found btw....there product is 100mg/ml as opposed to all the others at half that dose so the price is actually better!

[Chal]

Actually ID's S4 is 30ml @ 50mg/ml and SS is 30ml @ what appears to be 100mg/ml so its a better deal and looks to be a cleaner product.

[Chal]

LMAO!!! You type fast brother.

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Originally Posted by Chal

LMAO!!! You type fast brother.

Hahaha! I beat you to it

[Chal]

[Chal]

Originally Posted by admin

Updated your link to the site, Anthony Roberts and I created it, SARMS Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators | Sport Bodybuilding And Steroid Use. He did most of the work, of course.

I didn't see it but the link is in the article.

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Originally Posted by admin

Updated your link to the site, Anthony Roberts and I created it, SARMS Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators | Sport Bodybuilding And Steroid Use. He did most of the work, of course.

So then you must have some experience with it then right? would you care to share some of it?? Maybe you have some insight on incorporating it into PCT and it's use post PCT throughout off time.....?

[Chal]

Bump. It seems to have been around for awhile but I haven't heard much about it.

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Originally Posted by breakthrough

So then you must have some experience with it then right? would you care to share some of it?? Maybe you have some insight on incorporating it into PCT and it's use post PCT throughout off time.....?

I haven't tried it, I commented a bit on it in the other thread I think.
I haven't really followed up on it too much as of late. BUt I do remember some people reporting about vision problems, which kind of bothers me.

For me personally, it's too new experiment with for me to try. It could turn out to be something big, or could out to be something small. One of the benefits would be that is can't detected in a drug test. But as of now, I wouldn't bother with it when steroids are easily available. Now I know you're asking about PCT, as I said I probably wouldn't be one to experiment with it, but it seems like something that could work during PCT.

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Originally Posted by admin

I haven't tried it, I commented a bit on it in the other thread I think.
I haven't really followed up on it too much as of late. BUt I do remember some people reporting about vision problems, which kind of bothers me.

For me personally, it's too new experiment with for me to try. It could turn out to be something big, or could out to be something small. One of the benefits would be that is can't detected in a drug test. But as of now, I wouldn't bother with it when steroids are easily available. Now I know you're asking about PCT, as I said I probably wouldn't be one to experiment with it, but it seems like something that could work during PCT.

I'm mainly just interested in it's reported benefits for maintaining gains off cycle and would love to know how it works for that purpose. I don't need my vision to be so good anyway....my wife is ugly. I may actually start having sex again on this stuff

[Chal]

I just ordered some. Later will give a try and report.

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Originally Posted by Chal

I just ordered some. Later will give a try and report.

[dieselman2388]

I don't know if it was just idiots trying to trash the stuff but I have fun on other boards that it does shut some down therefore would not be good in PCT. Just a thought

[Chal]

Lmao! Now ya tell me.

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Originally Posted by dieselman2388

I don't know if it was just idiots trying to trash the stuff but I have fun on other boards that it does shut some down therefore would not be good in PCT. Just a thought

I read it could surpress a little but not shut down. From what I gather, you'll still produce test on your own.

[Chal]

Its cool fellas. I jumped in on this one w/o much research so I'll just have to see how it goes. What do you guys think? Should try it as pct or run standard pct and then run the SARM?

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Originally Posted by Chal

Its cool fellas. I jumped in on this one w/o much research so I'll just have to see how it goes. What do you guys think? Should try it as pct or run standard pct and then run the SARM?

I would personally use it from the start of PCT until the next cycle. Read this post from a guy that I found (My Experience With SARMS - Page 4 POST# 35)

I did a cycle in Jan, starting bw of 205 and got up to 235 or so and when I came off, with some pretty standard PCT, I lost weight and ended up at 210 lbs. That wasn't cool! I used sarms AFTER PCT right up to my next cycle at 75 mg per day 5 days per week for about 5-6 weeks. I lost 3-4 lbs of fat- at least- and gained 2-3 or more lbs of muscle. Basically it helpe me recomposition.

Like I say, I ran s4 right up till my next cycle. This time I did a very similar cycle, got up to around 240 lbs, but when I came off I used: Clomid 50 mg/day, s4 50 mg/day/5 x week, and DHEA (for mood etc). Instead of plummeting to 210 lbs like I did before I only lost my testosterone water weight, dropped to around 230-232 or so. After PCT I kept running the sarms. My libido came back as "normal" post cycle, everything was normal except I retained a great amount of size! I ran s4 right up to my next cycle... again.

This is probably how I'll do it. My balls come back to full size as they normally do, without hcg. I do NOT think s4 helps in hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - recovery, but that mine is recovering despite the s4. Side by side, a PCT for me, as far as I can tell about the size of my testes, sex drive, energy levels etc. is the same with or without s4, only difference is s4 helps me retain ALL gains- besides water. Or, at least that is the case thus far. I don't want to be without sarms!

Also, I had no vision trouble to speak of at 50 mg/day and only slight at 75mg-100mg. But, I've heard from others who had trouble at 50 mg, but went away 3 days after stopping.

[Chal]

Thanks BT. I'll run it that way then...just came today..tasted a little on my tongue. Nasty!

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Originally Posted by Chal

Thanks BT. I'll run it that way then...just came today..tasted a little on my tongue. Nasty!

That's a good sign lol!