The Purpose of PCT

[GenericDude]

Originally Posted by WetWorks

Bump BT on the last several posts. anything that stimulates a hormone to work is bull shit! HGH and Test will cure a lot of people ailments, but the Pharma companies don't want them on the market. they make more money treating a condition instead of fixing the problem. HGH has been around a long time, but it still cost you an arm and a leg to buy. why is that? cause it works.

That's pretty much what I think too.

[GenericDude]

Originally Posted by breakthrough

Even if it does what it says it does, I guarantee you it's blown way out of proportion and you won't see any difference. Go ahead and use it. Show all of us what we've been missing all these years we've been researching. You've been in this for what, a minute and you're going to show us the way now lol? Good luck. I can already see that you're a hopeless cause and I see why the other members had it. Do you have any idea how long some of us have had the past time of fitness in our lives? You should learn to take the word of people who have been there and done that instead of thinking it must be true if you read it on the internet. Here, read this: The sky is orange. Go look out the window now.

The papers I just read say it works very short term and the effect is weak compared to other prescription drugs like phenytoin or clonidine. Weak but it's there. I haven't come across a paper yet that compared direct GH injections to L-dopa supplementation though so I can't say if it's strong enough to compete. Just telling you what I read.

[Dead23]

Originally Posted by GenericDude

It just occurred to me that the forum owner wouldn't be too pleased to hear that new members are greeted with flames instead of honest attempts to provide answers. Think about it for a moment. I ask genuine questions and I get beat down. How does that look to the guy who's thinking about giving the forum owner money? Maybe he won't give him money. Maybe he'll go elsewhere and give his money to somebody else. Just because they read this thread where a guy asked questions and got flamed for an answer. Now think about it harder. What if this was your forum?

If you ain't got the answers I'm looking for, why the fuck do you think I want to hear about the hate you got inside instead? Do you think flaming me is a good substitute for the answers you don't have? How smart do you now appear in my eyes? I know you don't give a shit about what I think but think about it some more, how smart do you now appear to everybody who reads your crap? Do you think you now look smarter or dumber? No wait, if somebody else pulled the same crap on you, how smart would he be in your eyes then?

Do the smart thing, don't crap in your own front lawn.

edit this post was intended for Chal.

Are you a writer?? You express yourself extremely well in writing. . If you are wanting to lose fat I'd say go with a low (say 500mg's) dose of test and couple it with some T3... Go the ketosis diet.

[Dead23]

Originally Posted by cookiedough

Buy a book, we're not here to educate you. I don't think I've ever truly flamed anyone here in over 2,000 posts, but you deserve a thermonuclear attack for your pomposity and your arrogance. But, alas, I won't waste the keystrokes. Good luck w/your berries and cheese diet, hilarious!

Wow, I haven't read much of this thread but flicking through, looks like you've pissed some dudes off... you don't wanna do that only cause it can be hard to get advice once you're in the bad books... lol never seen the CD pissed before... you must be really good.

[GenericDude]

Originally Posted by Dead23

Wow, I haven't read much of this thread but flicking through, looks like you've pissed some dudes off... you don't wanna do that only cause it can be hard to get advice once you're in the bad books... lol never seen the CD pissed before... you must be really good.

I know. I can give it as good as I get it. But the way I see it, the only guys I pissed off were those who gave me exactly zero useful information and a shitload of insults, i.e. they were already pissed off when they got here. No loss to me.

But the other guys have been great to me and I'm not gonna go piss them off just for kicks. I ain't like that.

[GenericDude]

Originally Posted by Dead23

Are you a writer?? You express yourself extremely well in writing. . If you are wanting to lose fat I'd say go with a low (say 500mg's) dose of test and couple it with some T3... Go the ketosis diet.

I'm going with the ketosis diet for sure. It seems everybody's telling me to go with test. That is some serious peer pressure.

[cookiedough]

Originally Posted by GenericDude

I know. I can give it as good as I get it. But the way I see it, the only guys I pissed off were those who gave me exactly zero useful information and a shitload of insults, i.e. they were already pissed off when they got here. No loss to me.

But the other guys have been great to me and I'm not gonna go piss them off just for kicks. I ain't like that.

My 2,400+ posts are evidence of my lack of anger. My question is why is anyone bothering to reply to this guy's self important posts?! I'm amazed that you can survive in this world with your attitude. Your first thread draws more hostility from more members than any other thread in the history of this board. If there is justice you will be banned from this board quickly.

Get some humility and learn to respect your superiors. And if you expect us to respect you you'll have to start by posting up these supposed "papers" you keep mentioning. Utterly incredible that you take pride in your ignorance and ability to make people dislike you.

That's all the advice you deserve from me or anyone else here.

[GenericDude]

Originally Posted by cookiedough

My 2,400+ posts are evidence of my lack of anger. My question is why is anyone bothering to reply to this guy's self important posts?! I'm amazed that you can survive in this world with your attitude. Your first thread draws more hostility from more members than any other thread in the history of this board. If there is justice you will be banned from this board quickly.

Get some humility and learn to respect your superiors. And if you expect us to respect you you'll have to start by posting up these supposed "papers" you keep mentioning. Utterly incredible that you take pride in your ignorance and ability to make people dislike you.

That's all the advice you deserve from me or anyone else here.

Alright, it's on pubmed and the search is "L-dopa growth hormone" then select the most relevant papers in the results. Don't blame me if you disagree with what they say, I didn't write them. And just to show you that pubmed isn't bullshit, this is the paper on aromasin everybody's quoting on every steroid forum:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14671195

[cookiedough]

Originally Posted by GenericDude

Alright, it's on pubmed and the search is "L-dopa growth hormone" then select the most relevant papers in the results. Don't blame me if you disagree with what they say, I didn't write them. And just to show you that pubmed isn't bullshit, this is the paper on aromasin everybody's quoting on every steroid forum:

Pharmacokinetics and dose finding of a potent arom... [J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2003] - PubMed result

Good start. Now you're actually contributing.

[yohimbe]

Originally Posted by GenericDude

I was looking at aromasin for that reason. I figured it would be effective as long as I took it then when I stopped it things would return to what they were but I didn't find anything about that in the literature and that's what I wanted to know. I thought about estrogen and fat loss as well and that's pretty much what I concluded too. That's another reason I looked at aromasin first. The way I see it, if I can suppress estrogen enough then losing fat is going to be that much easier with whatever means I use be it T3 or clen or whatever. And as I said losing fat is my main goal.

Its true using anti e will raise testosterone to an extent by negative feedback, fooling your body somewhat-same principle as pct.

Main thing is to assess your goals-most on here are looking to gain as much lean muscle as possible, while losing or maintaining bodyfat.
If you have no interest in gaining muscle, then steroids aren't for you.

Trt is a different thing-its purely for replacing natural test, taking you back to the test levels you had when you were 20. Then you're looking at doses of 150mg per week. At these doses there are no side effects and its beneficial to the body. Once you start going to 500mg per week, there will be side effects in some shape or form-collagen synthesis decreases, cholesterol increases etc and this is for muscle growth. If your not interested in muscle growth, then theres no need to use high(er) doses.

A keto diet is also the most effective diet for cutting fat

[WetWorks]

Originally Posted by yohimbe

Its true using anti e will raise testosterone to an extent by negative feedback, fooling your body somewhat-same principle as pct.

Main thing is to assess your goals-most on here are looking to gain as much lean muscle as possible, while losing or maintaining bodyfat.
If you have no interest in gaining muscle, then steroids aren't for you.

Trt is a different thing-its purely for replacing natural test, taking you back to the test levels you had when you were 20. Then you're looking at doses of 150mg per week. At these doses there are no side effects and its beneficial to the body. Once you start going to 500mg per week, there will be side effects in some shape or form-collagen synthesis decreases, cholesterol increases etc and this is for muscle growth. If your not interested in muscle growth, then theres no need to use high(er) doses.

A keto diet is also the most effective diet for cutting fat

very well explained

[cookiedough]

Originally Posted by WetWorks

very well explained

Yup, concise and accurate. YO da' man. WW da' man 2

[Chal]

Bump to Yoh/CD/WW/BT/Jeff..gotta love Jeff lately! Genericdude, I respect your goals and as a person bro but you came off as a know-it-all and then proceeded to say how humble you were and I almost barfed up my beef and broccoli bro. It's like medicine in the sense that new guys have to serve their internship. It's not that they're stupid but need to run things by their more experienced colleagues to help avoid possible disaster. There's been a couple scares around here lately and that's partially why I flamed. God forbid a real disaster were to happen and word got out that it was spawned from what was talked about on this board...well I don't even want to think about that and I hope it never happens. It scares me because a great community could come under scrutiny. So we try to be watchful and sometimes people get flamed a little. Better to have it that way imo. BTW it was good you flamed back. I took that as the real Gdude..not ivory tower Gdude. One thing stands though and that's the fact that Test and GH raise serum IGF-1 levels and that results in weight GAIN not loss and like Yohimbe said that's what just about everybody on here wants. You could try some Clen or ECA or T3 etc but these are generally temporary and could also be suppressive in their own way. The best way to drop bf is good old diet just like BT said.

Welcome to SW brother. Good luck and most importantly BE SAFE!

[breakthrough]

Originally Posted by Dead23

Are you a writer?? You express yourself extremely well in writing. . If you are wanting to lose fat I'd say go with a low (say 500mg's) dose of test and couple it with some T3... Go the ketosis diet.

Bad advice imo. This will increase appetite and result in water and weight gain more likely than fat loss. Fat loss will be easier without it. Lean meats, greens, lots of fiber (soluble and insoluble), water, plain oats (limit to one serving dialy), egg whites and cardio......the end.

[WetWorks]

I'm going to disagree with everyone that says taking Test means you can not lose fat. you need to eat more, so your body doesn't go into sarvation mode. if your body goes into starvation mode it will cause you to store fat. diet, training, and hormones wether natural or synthetic play a key role in muscle building and fat loss. anyone over 35 should seek to get on TRT for their health. my 0.02

[breakthrough]

Originally Posted by WetWorks

I'm going to disagree with everyone that says taking Test means you can not lose fat. you need to eat more, so your body doesn't go into sarvation mode. if your body goes into starvation mode it will cause you to store fat. diet, training, and hormones wether natural or synthetic play a key role in muscle building and fat loss. anyone over 35 should seek to get on TRT for their health. my 0.02

I'm not saying it cannot happen, especially on a trt dose, but 500mg/week I believe will make it more difficult for someone who is already having difficulties with it. Either way, having no interest in BBing and only fat loss, I think there is more he can do before resorting to drug use.

[WetWorks]

if your diet is right it won't matter how much Test you take. Test keeps your body from canabolizing on the muscle when your dieting and not just Test, but almost all AAS. fat loss is about diet and hormones. if your hormones are out of wack you'll fail on your dieting. everyone is BBing for one look or another, not everyone has to be a freak to BB. I'm a wannabe BB

[breakthrough]

Originally Posted by WetWorks

if your diet is right it won't matter how much Test you take. Test keeps your body from canabolizing on the muscle when your dieting and not just Test, but almost all AAS. fat loss is about diet and hormones. if your hormones are out of wack you'll fail on your dieting. everyone is BBing for one look or another, not everyone has to be a freak to BB. I'm a wannabe BB

I personally found it harder to keep the diet right with the appetite I had on test. It's easier when you don't wanna eat everything you see to stay clean. I agree with you WW. I just wasn't making what I was trying to say clear enough. Sorry.

bump what everyone said about diet its the most important thing people always think they can take steroids and get big and eat gas station chicken sandwiches and shit ill admit when im bulking i eat every except semen 9(thats you know whos favorite^^^rite above me) thats his secret weapon besides his anal beads opps sorry bt i forgot you told me not to tell. sorry for flaming you bro there has just been so many scumbag fuckheads getting on here its hard not to.

[WetWorks]

Originally Posted by breakthrough

I personally found it harder to keep the diet right with the appetite I had on test. It's easier when you don't wanna eat everything you see to stay clean. I agree with you WW. I just wasn't making what I was trying to say clear enough. Sorry.

no need to apologize, we're just communicating until we understand each other

[breakthrough]

Originally Posted by jeff1985

bump what everyone said about diet its the most important thing people always think they can take steroids and get big and eat gas station chicken sandwiches and shit ill admit when im bulking i eat every except semen 9(thats you know whos favorite^^^rite above me) thats his secret weapon besides his anal beads opps sorry bt i forgot you told me not to tell. sorry for flaming you bro there has just been so many scumbag fuckheads getting on here its hard not to.

Whatever bro, both of those tips came from your book called The Farmers Guide to Bodybuilding lol. You're a funny bitch

[yohimbe]

Originally Posted by jeff1985

bump what everyone said about diet its the most important thing people always think they can take steroids and get big and eat gas station chicken sandwiches and shit ill admit when im bulking i eat every except semen 9(thats you know whos favorite^^^rite above me) thats his secret weapon besides his anal beads opps sorry bt i forgot you told me not to tell. sorry for flaming you bro there has just been so many scumbag fuckheads getting on here its hard not to.

You seem to have intimate details there Jeff....

[Chal]

Lmao Semen 9 sounds like a fag energy drink.

Hey aint nutn wrong wit dem truk stoppa chikn sambos supa big gulps n vitaman d thru the left forearm lol.

[Dead23]

Originally Posted by yohimbe

collagen synthesis decreases,

What does this mean?? how does it affect your skin??

[Dead23]

Originally Posted by breakthrough

Bad advice imo. This will increase appetite and result in water and weight gain more likely than fat loss. Fat loss will be easier without it. Lean meats, greens, lots of fiber (soluble and insoluble), water, plain oats (limit to one serving dialy), egg whites and cardio......the end.

Yeh. Was just thinking that he was wanting to use gear regardless of what anyone said so if he should take anything I thought that 500mg's of test would be the best way to go... but T3.. I'd stick with that.