The Purpose of PCT

[cookiedough]

Originally Posted by GenericDude

Yeah I figured a vet would chime in at some point. For the blood work, I don't see a compelling reason to go for it at the moment. I mean I'm going to use some form of drug therapy whether I get it done or not. That's already decided. Anyway what's the blood work going to tell me, that my test level is low? What is not decided yet is what drugs I will use to reach my goals. And in order to make a decision on this I still have some questions about the drugs that I am interested in.

Buy a book, we're not here to educate you. I don't think I've ever truly flamed anyone here in over 2,000 posts, but you deserve a thermonuclear attack for your pomposity and your arrogance. But, alas, I won't waste the keystrokes. Good luck w/your berries and cheese diet, hilarious!

[yohimbe]

Originally Posted by cookiedough

Buy a book, we're not here to educate you. I don't think I've ever truly flamed anyone here in over 2,000 posts, but you deserve a thermonuclear attack for your pomposity and your arrogance. But, alas, I won't waste the keystrokes. Good luck w/your berries and cheese diet, hilarious!

LOL Cookie is the tren kicking already?

Bump the guys Generic you are coming across as a bit pompous.

You won't lose much fat on test-it converts to estrogen and this is a fat retaining hormone. You will need an anti e otherwise you could end up gaining fat depending on doses.
Aromasin is a suicidal inhibitor-it destroys receptors, but these receptors regenerate and so once you come off things will return to as they were.

You also can't go on pct drugs forever-long term use of nolva has been linked to cancer-test is your safest option as it is a natural hormone made by the body.
You can't permanently regenerate your test levels-it s a fact of life they will decline with age and at some point you either learn to live with it or start hormone replacement.
An alternative to trt is HCG therapy, but either way you will become dependant on the drug to enjoy the elevated test levels, when you stop the best you can hope for is they return to what they were, and in many cases after long term suppression of either the pituitary as with HCG or testosterone, they won't recover.

There are other factors regarding fat loss-could be thyroid-this also loses effectiveness with age. And as WW says HGH declines drastically with age

Originally Posted by GenericDude

Yeah I figured a vet would chime in at some point. For the blood work, I don't see a compelling reason to go for it at the moment. I mean I'm going to use some form of drug therapy whether I get it done or not. That's already decided. Anyway what's the blood work going to tell me, that my test level is low? What is not decided yet is what drugs I will use to reach my goals. And in order to make a decision on this I still have some questions about the drugs that I am interested in.

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[masswithclass]

He's a douch, Jeff. Don't even waste your time on him. Let him fuck himself up even more. He seems to know everything.

[GenericDude]

Originally Posted by cookiedough

Buy a book, we're not here to educate you. I don't think I've ever truly flamed anyone here in over 2,000 posts, but you deserve a thermonuclear attack for your pomposity and your arrogance. But, alas, I won't waste the keystrokes. Good luck w/your berries and cheese diet, hilarious!

Which book should I buy then?

[breakthrough]

Originally Posted by GenericDude

Which book should I buy then?

Try Steroids for Dummies. I love those books.

Originally Posted by GenericDude

Which book should I buy then?

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[GenericDude]

Originally Posted by yohimbe

LOL Cookie is the tren kicking already?

Bump the guys Generic you are coming across as a bit pompous.

You won't lose much fat on test-it converts to estrogen and this is a fat retaining hormone. You will need an anti e otherwise you could end up gaining fat depending on doses.
Aromasin is a suicidal inhibitor-it destroys receptors, but these receptors regenerate and so once you come off things will return to as they were.

You also can't go on pct drugs forever-long term use of nolva has been linked to cancer-test is your safest option as it is a natural hormone made by the body.
You can't permanently regenerate your test levels-it s a fact of life they will decline with age and at some point you either learn to live with it or start hormone replacement.
An alternative to trt is HCG therapy, but either way you will become dependant on the drug to enjoy the elevated test levels, when you stop the best you can hope for is they return to what they were, and in many cases after long term suppression of either the pituitary as with HCG or testosterone, they won't recover.

There are other factors regarding fat loss-could be thyroid-this also loses effectiveness with age. And as WW says HGH declines drastically with age

I was looking at aromasin for that reason. I figured it would be effective as long as I took it then when I stopped it things would return to what they were but I didn't find anything about that in the literature and that's what I wanted to know. I thought about estrogen and fat loss as well and that's pretty much what I concluded too. That's another reason I looked at aromasin first. The way I see it, if I can suppress estrogen enough then losing fat is going to be that much easier with whatever means I use be it T3 or clen or whatever. And as I said losing fat is my main goal.

[GenericDude]

Originally Posted by breakthrough

Try Steroids for Dummies. I love those books.

I love those books too.

[GenericDude]

Originally Posted by jeff1985

ask the guy at gnc you fucking douche im sick of you bashing a respected memeber and a friend from now on maybe u should not post go get nova and take 100mgs a day it will take all that fat off your old punk ass and dont post here ever again you fucking retard not one of use wanted you here and if i was mod i would have done banned like 7 people today and your number one for bashing a friend im done with this shit everyone is bashing all the guys that have the most knowledge on here so i say this alot GO FUCK YOURSELF AND PLZ DONT WASTE OUR TIME ANYMORE PEACE OUT DOUCHE BAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well maybe that's why you're not a mod. Peace out nitwit.

You should be happy I'm not cause I would ban your ass. And regulate this mother fucker and one of you scumbag fucks everyday!!!!!!!!

[GenericDude]

Originally Posted by jeff1985

You should be happy I'm not cause I would ban your ass. And regulate this mother fucker and one of you scumbag fucks everyday!!!!!!!!

Yeah, I know you already said that. If you have nothing else to add, might I suggest going outside for a walk, the fresh air will do you some good.

nice 17 post douche bag

[GenericDude]

In my search on HGH, I just came across L-dopa. Apparently, L-dopa can stimulate the secretion of growth hormone. The good thing about L-dopa is that it's cheap and sold without a prescription.

[GenericDude]

Originally Posted by jeff1985

nice 17 post douche bag

Thanks nitwit.

[breakthrough]

I haven't read most of the posts in this thread but I get the gist of it. The bottom line is that taking ancillaries, despite what you read about their effects, are going to produce no realized benefits the way you think they would from reading what it says about them. It's not what you think it is and having very little estrogen may cause joint issues amongst sexual dysfunction and other things. If you want to only lose fat, what's wrong with a good old fashioned proper diet and exercise program rather than taking drugs??? You're going to play with your hormones and thyroid to lose fat? That mentality is why you're fat in the first place and probably always will be.

[GenericDude]

Originally Posted by breakthrough

I haven't read most of the posts in this thread but I get the gist of it. The bottom line is that taking ancillaries, despite what you read about their effects, are going to produce no realized benefits the way you think they would from reading what it says about them. It's not what you think it is and having very little estrogen may cause joint issues amongst sexual dysfunction and other things. If you want to only lose fat, what's wrong with a good old fashioned proper diet and exercise program rather than taking drugs??? You're going to play with your hormones and thyroid to lose fat? That mentality is why you're fat in the first place and probably always will be.

There's nothing wrong with diet and lifting, I've done that and it worked to get rid of more than 50lbs of fat but it don't work anymore. The diet I posted is exactly what I ate to get rid of all that fat and I still eat that way now. Obviously, if it could still work to get rid of the last 10-20 lbs or so, it would have worked already. And I wouldn't be thinking about drugs.

[breakthrough]

Originally Posted by GenericDude

In my search on HGH, I just came across L-dopa. Apparently, L-dopa can stimulate the secretion of growth hormone. The good thing about L-dopa is that it's cheap and sold without a prescription.

If it's cheap and legal, it's garbage.

[breakthrough]

Originally Posted by GenericDude

There's nothing wrong with diet and lifting, I've done that and it worked to get rid of more than 50lbs of fat but it don't work anymore. The diet I posted is exactly what I ate to get rid of all that fat and I still eat that way now. Obviously, if it could still work to get rid of the last 10-20 lbs or so, it would have worked already. And I wouldn't be thinking about drugs.

Cut out the fruits and lower the fat intake from foods like cheese. Drink more water. Do more cardio. Eat more greens. Do not eat red meat. you can do a number of thing to further your results so that's not an excuse. If you knew how much I sacrifice with my diet to shed fat, you'd understand what it takes and that's why most of the world is fat. Because eating for fat loss blows and takes a strong will. It probably didn't stop working because you reached your genetic limitation. It stopped where it did because that's all the results you were going to see from your diet. You reached your dietary limitations so to speak. Just when you think you cannot sacrifice anymore.....guess what?

[GenericDude]

Originally Posted by breakthrough

If it's cheap and legal, it's garbage.

I thought so too but L-dopa is combined with other drugs to further increase the GH secretion. I'm reading about it right now on pubmed. It also reduces prolactin concentrations. But from what I'm reading, the effect is pretty short lived like 3-6 hours or something.

[breakthrough]

Originally Posted by GenericDude

I thought so too but L-dopa is combined with other drugs to further increase the GH secretion. I'm reading about it right now on pubmed. It also reduces prolactin concentrations. But from what I'm reading, the effect is pretty short lived like 3-6 hours or something.

You have to understand that some things are just flat out over hyped. I don't know much about it, but if it was a great thing we'd all be using it.

[GenericDude]

Originally Posted by breakthrough

You have to understand that some things are just flat out over hyped. I don't know much about it, but if it was a great thing we'd all be using it.

Yeah but then if many research papers are written about it and they all agree that it does what they say it does then I think I can count on that.

[breakthrough]

Originally Posted by GenericDude

Yeah but then if many research papers are written about it and they all agree that it does what they say it does then I think I can count on that.

There's no talking to you is there? There are salesmen behind those research papers. You think you just found some miracle product that all of us haven't been using lol???

[breakthrough]

Even if it does what it says it does, I guarantee you it's blown way out of proportion and you won't see any difference. Go ahead and use it. Show all of us what we've been missing all these years we've been researching. You've been in this for what, a minute and you're going to show us the way now lol? Good luck. I can already see that you may be a hopeless cause and I see why the other members got frustrated. Do you have any idea how long some of us have had the past time of fitness in our lives? You should learn to take the word of people who have been there and done that instead of thinking it must be true if you read it on the internet. Here, read this: The sky is orange. Go look out the window now.

[WetWorks]

Originally Posted by breakthrough

You have to understand that some things are just flat out over hyped. I don't know much about it, but if it was a great thing we'd all be using it.

Bump BT on the last several posts. anything that stimulates a hormone to work is bull shit! HGH and Test will cure a lot of people ailments, but the Pharma companies don't want them on the market. they make more money treating a condition instead of fixing the problem. HGH has been around a long time, but it still cost you an arm and a leg to buy. why is that? cause it works.