Standard 22 day Clomid/Nolvadex PCT

Just a guideline for those willing to try the short/simple/standard 22 day PCT:

Cycle the Clomid + Nolvadex on a 22 day cycle:

Day 1: Clomid @ 300 mgs. (6 pills), Nolvadex @ 40 mgs. (2 pills)
Day 2: Clomid @ 200 mgs. (4 pills), Nolvadex @ 40 mgs. (2 pills)
Days 3-11: Clomid @ 100 mgs. (2 pills), Nolvadex @ 40 mgs. (2 pills)
Days 12-22: Clomid @ 50 mgs. (1 pill), Nolvadex @ 20 mgs (1 pill)

As an option, you could throw in HCG @ 500 iu's every 3 to 5 days...

Thanks Action!! Good info Very important stuff.

Ya, just another PCT option to try out...One that I learned from the old board and a lot of bros including myself tried out with great success...

Some bros had the options of throwing in Tribulus, DHEA, Creatine and/or Glutamine, depending on budget, preferences and tolerance...

Action - if I added DHEA, how should I take it?

Not sure what the dosage is for DHEA...Haven't taken it in a while...

Just follow the recommended dosage on the bottle...

[Eureka]

Originally Posted by Action

Just a guideline for those willing to try the short/simple/standard 22 day PCT:

Cycle the Clomid + Nolvadex on a 22 day cycle:

Day 1: Clomid @ 300 mgs. (6 pills), Nolvadex @ 40 mgs. (2 pills)
Day 2: Clomid @ 200 mgs. (4 pills), Nolvadex @ 40 mgs. (2 pills)
Days 3-11: Clomid @ 100 mgs. (2 pills), Nolvadex @ 40 mgs. (2 pills)
Days 12-22: Clomid @ 50 mgs. (1 pill), Nolvadex @ 20 mgs (1 pill)

As an option, you could throw in HCG @ 500 iu's every 3 to 5 days...

So this whole PCT would consist of 26 pills of Clomid & 30 pills of Nova?

[signal22]

Originally Posted by Eureka

So this whole PCT would consist of 26 pills of Clomid & 30 pills of Nova?

Provided the clomid pills are 50mg & the novadex pills are 20mg it's 38 pills of clomid & 32 pills of nolva.

Remember pct dosing should always be figured to your cycles dose & length. Personally for the cycle you are running I think that much clomid is an overkill, I think 50mg ED for the first two weeks is better.

[zidane9979]

Originally Posted by Eureka

So this whole PCT would consist of 26 pills of Clomid & 30 pills of Nova?

i say go with the anthony roberts pct, i kept all my strength and only lost water weight...... and the clomid can cause depression, and since your a friend of bill w its not a good idea..

[triathletesg]

would this also apply to me...being only 118-120 pounds after taking 100mg test prop eod, 300mg eq wk, and 300mg deca wk for 10-12 weeks?

[Eureka]

Originally Posted by zidane9979

i say go with the anthony roberts pct, i kept all my strength and only lost water weight...... and the clomid can cause depression, and since your a friend of bill w its not a good idea..

Good suggestion. Thanks for lookin out!!

[zidane9979]

Originally Posted by triathletesg

would this also apply to me...being only 118-120 pounds after taking 100mg test prop eod, 300mg eq wk, and 300mg deca wk for 10-12 weeks?

everyone reacts differently , i feel its better to be safe then sorry but its all up to you, the better your pct is the more likely you are to keep your gains and strength..

[Eureka]

Originally Posted by zidane9979

everyone reacts differently , i feel its better to be safe then sorry but its all up to you, the better your pct is the more likely you are to keep your gains and strength..

It's actually for my buddy that started his cycle a couple of weeks ago. His first cycle with D-bol and Test Prop. So I want to make sure that he's got evrything lined up right. I think that this simple protocol would be good for him. He's on a 12 week cycle. He says he's starting to get stronger. I'm just glad I can help him properly thanks to you guys!! He's on 5 weeks 40mgs D-bol and 100mgs Test Prop EOD for 12weeks.. He started the D-bols 2 weeks earlier than the Test before he got to speak to me about it. So I guess that's what's got him pumped for now. I personally am going with the A.R. PCT. After my 18 week cycle. Thanks for your concern Zidane! That's how we roll!!!

[jonsavage1979]

Should I start taking the Nolvadex right a way Im taking 250mg Of Test E 2 times a week, Or should I wait a couple weeks ,

[davidbl769]

you really don't need nolvadex on cycle unless you see signs of gyno. it is mainly taken during pct.

[herm]

I read somewhere that arimidex/anastrozole is a WAY
more effective pct drug than Clomid and/or Nolvadex

The only reason it is not as popular as
the other two is that it is cost prohibitive.

Is that true? What's your feedback on
arimidex/anastrozole as a pct drug?

Any feedback would, as always, be appreciated.


Regards,


Herm

[espiros]

Originally Posted by hermtheworm

I read somewhere that arimidex/anastrozole is a WAY
more effective pct drug than Clomid and/or Nolvadex

The only reason it is not as popular as
the other two is that it is cost prohibitive.

Is that true? What's your feedback on
arimidex/anastrozole as a pct drug?

Any feedback would, as always, be appreciated.


Regards,





Herm

Herm, The one I prefer over clomid is aromasin.

Check this out:

Exemestane (Aromasin) is an Aromatase Inhibitor (often called an "AI"), which isthe name given to a broad class of drugs whose effect is to limit the conversion of testosterone via the aromatase enzyme into estrogen. Aromasin is very unique product, as it is whats known as a "steroidal suicide aromatase inhibitor," which means that it exerts its effects by blocking the enzyme responsible for the synthesization of estrogen from testosterone. It exerts this effect in an irreversible manner. This accounts for why it is called a "Suicidal Aromatase Inhibitor." Estrogen is responsible for many of the unwanted side effects atributed to steroids, including but not limited to water retention, acne, gynocomastia (development of breast tissue) and suppression of endogenous testosterone. Exemestane, possibly by eliminating estrogen's suppressive effects on the HPTA, also has the added benefit of boosting the users endogenous (natural) testosterone levels.

It is possible that the rise in endogenous levels of testosterone that exemestane causes could be unwanted by female athletes, because of possible virilizing effects. This is, however, highly unlikely. Exemestane exerts it's effects, at the reccomended dose, to a greater degree than most other commonly used Aromatase Inhibitors (it boasts an 85% rate of estrogen suppression). What makes Exemestane especially noteworthy is that usually a decrease in estrogen levels is positively correlated with a decrease in the anabolic hormone Insulin-Like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1), and has a negative impact on blood lipid profiles (cholesterol). Exemestane seems to not only increase IGF-1, but it has a positive effect on cholesterol.
Athletes who have reported using exemestane have found that 20mgs/day was enough to eliminate the water retention often experienced on heavy androgen cycles, as well as provide a slight anabolic effect, probably due to the increase in IGF-1 and endogenous testosterone levels it provides.

[herm]

Originally Posted by espiros

Herm, The one I prefer over clomid is aromasin.

Check this out:

Exemestane (Aromasin) is an Aromatase Inhibitor (often called an "AI"), which isthe name given to a broad class of drugs whose effect is to limit the conversion of testosterone via the aromatase enzyme into estrogen. Aromasin is very unique product, as it is whats known as a "steroidal suicide aromatase inhibitor," which means that it exerts its effects by blocking the enzyme responsible for the synthesization of estrogen from testosterone. It exerts this effect in an irreversible manner. This accounts for why it is called a "Suicidal Aromatase Inhibitor." Estrogen is responsible for many of the unwanted side effects atributed to steroids, including but not limited to water retention, acne, gynocomastia (development of breast tissue) and suppression of endogenous testosterone. Exemestane, possibly by eliminating estrogen's suppressive effects on the HPTA, also has the added benefit of boosting the users endogenous (natural) testosterone levels.

It is possible that the rise in endogenous levels of testosterone that exemestane causes could be unwanted by female athletes, because of possible virilizing effects. This is, however, highly unlikely. Exemestane exerts it's effects, at the reccomended dose, to a greater degree than most other commonly used Aromatase Inhibitors (it boasts an 85% rate of estrogen suppression). What makes Exemestane especially noteworthy is that usually a decrease in estrogen levels is positively correlated with a decrease in the anabolic hormone Insulin-Like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1), and has a negative impact on blood lipid profiles (cholesterol). Exemestane seems to not only increase IGF-1, but it has a positive effect on cholesterol.
Athletes who have reported using exemestane have found that 20mgs/day was enough to eliminate the water retention often experienced on heavy androgen cycles, as well as provide a slight anabolic effect, probably due to the increase in IGF-1 and endogenous testosterone levels it provides.

Sounds great!

Two things.

This is for PCT right? I'm already looking ahead, as I
know how long stuff takes to arrive.

Secondly, can you send me a PM where I can get
a hold of this stuff.

I'm usually pretty ace with getting phamacuticals
without priscription, but I've come up empty-handed
in my search so far.

Thanks again,

Herm

P.S. What exactly is PCT for?

Duh, I know it's post cycle therapy.

But what I mean is exactly what is deficient
and what does it correct? In a nutshell.

Oh, one more thing.

You think If I'm getting "cut", test prop can
help me get crazy ripped?

I got some on it's way.

Oh yeah, and while I got your ear, one more thing...

I'm stopping my use of gear on oct 31st.

Gonna' bulk up a bit from November to March. Try to keep my BF pretty much like my before pict.

Do you think April and May would be too soon to go back on the gear again?

(Turanabol, Anavar, Materon, Test prop)

I'm thinking April to mid-may.

What say you?

[espiros]

PCT....
The main reason of PCT is to have your body produce test again, remember, when you start using "gear" your body stops producing test.....that's why your testicules get smaller....

Now, if you DO NOT use any form of PCT:
1. Will lose almost all your gains.
2. Will gain fat at rapid rate (to much estrogen)
3. Will not be able to have erections.
4. Will feel like shit (not having any test in your system)


Test prop:
Will not help you get hard ripped...Do not try to run....

Next cycle....
April will be perfect to start another cycle but.....

Make that cycle longer....at least 10 weeks if you're going to include masteron, var, test and t-bol.

Last,
Aromasin:
Check the VIP section...one guy has it...

[basiclute009]

Before when the old school body builders didnt know about PCT.. Did they ever cycle off..? Or always on cycle?

[Action]

Originally Posted by basiclute009

Before when the old school body builders didnt know about PCT.. Did they ever cycle off..? Or always on cycle?

They came off. They would have to or risk kissing their futures goodbye. They did what most pros do these days; keep their off times very short and stay on high amounts of GH, Insulin, IGF and other non-steroidal compounds to keep their muscle mass intact and stay anabolic.

[Chester Fanahan]

Thanks for the info Action. I have seen alot of PCT plans that only contain Nolvadex. I can see the benefits of adding Clomid due to its different mechanism of action (excuse the pun); however, is there any down-sides to adding Clomid? Zidane mentioned that it can cause depression and I also read that it can cause acne.

[Action]

Originally Posted by Chester Fanahan

Thanks for the info Action. I have seen alot of PCT plans that only contain Nolvadex. I can see the benefits of adding Clomid due to its different mechanism of action (excuse the pun); however, is there any down-sides to adding Clomid? Zidane mentioned that it can cause depression and I also read that it can cause acne.

In days past, Clomid used to be well used. There are many that still use it, however for most it has fallen from grace in the intake of PCT's and most that I know of have dropped it from there PCT schedule.

Here's an interesting post from the Archived section on it. It brings up some interesting points:

Clomid: The Big Lie

[Chester Fanahan]

Wow, that article has definately thrown a spanner in the works! In previous posts I have read that you are an advocate of your first cycle being a test-only cycle so you can learn how your body reacts to the test. Would you also recommend something like a Nolvadex-only PCT after your first cycle so you can learn what works best for you? Based on that article, people react differently to clomid so stacking multiple drugs in your first PCT would be unwise as you would be unaware of what's working/not working.

[signal22]

Originally Posted by Chester Fanahan

Wow, that article has definately thrown a spanner in the works! In previous posts I have read that you are an advocate of your first cycle being a test-only cycle so you can learn how your body reacts to the test. Would you also recommend something like a Nolvadex-only PCT after your first cycle so you can learn what works best for you? Based on that article, people react differently to clomid so stacking multiple drugs in your first PCT would be unwise as you would be unaware of what's working/not working.

Nolva & tribulus is the bare minimum for PCT.... I'd do all the reading you can then make your decision - if that's nova only then fine... but I would'nt second guess my PCT by not including other drugs so you can find out how your body reacts to just one.

[espiros]

Originally Posted by signal22

Nolva & tribulus is the bare minimum for PCT.... I'd do all the reading you can then make your decision - if that's nova only then fine... but I would'nt second guess my PCT by not including other drugs so you can find out how your body reacts to just one.

Yes, to me PCT should include at least 2 drugs, a serm and an AI...otherwise you will lose most of your gains and recuperation wouldn't be as fast as it should, specially if you're and old fella like me....(48 and counting) Now, Tribulus.....This thing really helps.....It's a necessity in every PCT.