Standard 22 day Clomid/Nolvadex PCT

[Action]

Originally Posted by espiros

Yes, to me PCT should include at least 2 drugs, a serm and an AI...otherwise you will lose most of your gains and recuperation wouldn't be as fast as it should, specially if you're and old fella like me....(48 and counting) Now, Tribulus.....This thing really helps.....It's a necessity in every PCT.

Ya, I agree with Espiros. Always a good AI and good SERM and can't go wrong with some Tribulus. HCG is an other added bonus.

[basiclute009]

so u guys recomend an AI like A-dex with nova, trib and, HCG for standard PCT. what about a longer heavier cycle...? cComid nova hcg trib and letro on hand?

[maxgtl]

Guys can we get this spelled out for me. I really do not want to wait for some HCG to get in so what is the best way for me to do this PCT and when should I start. Please spell this out for me since you all agreed not to use clomid anymore. I have nolv. and can order the rest on sites that do not take that long to come in such as the armi. and trib. what all do I need and how much on what days?

[Chester Fanahan]

Arimidex often seems to be the AI of choice in PCT. Do you guys prefer any other AI's?

[espiros]

Originally Posted by Chester Fanahan

Arimidex often seems to be the AI of choice in PCT. Do you guys prefer any other AI's?

I prefer aromasin....It does stimulates your hpta system to produce test.

Now as far as dose:

I'm 48 so (my PCT is longer than most)

Aromasin 20 mgs ED for 30 days
Novaldex 40 mgs 15 days
Novaldex 20 mgs 15 days
Novaldex 10 mgs 15 to 30 days
Tirbulus 1,200 to 1,500 mgs ED

Last suggestion:
Start PCT according to half life of your longer ester used...example, if you used Deca start your PCT 21 days after last injection.

hcg......Arimidex.....If your cycle has been a long one (16 or more weeks) then, I would use this two for 15 days...right before PCT.....
Arimidex .25 mgs ED
HCG 500 IU's ED

Again, if Deca was used....this two should start 7 days after last shoot...

I'm not an expert but...this way has worked wonders for me.

My recovery was fast and good.

[katade]

How do you guys dose the clomid the first two days. Do you split up the 300mgs into morning and evening or take the whole dose at once?

[Action]

Originally Posted by katade

How do you guys dose the clomid the first two days. Do you split up the 300mgs into morning and evening or take the whole dose at once?

Either or, but I feel it's best to split it up throughout the day and let your blood levels peak evenly rather than all at once.

[espiros]

Originally Posted by Action

Either or, but I feel it's best to split it up throughout the day and let your blood levels peak evenly rather than all at once.

Yes, I do it this way as well, split them.

[crazykp55]

Originally Posted by espiros

Herm, The one I prefer over clomid is aromasin.

Check this out:

Exemestane (Aromasin) is an Aromatase Inhibitor (often called an "AI"), which isthe name given to a broad class of drugs whose effect is to limit the conversion of testosterone via the aromatase enzyme into estrogen. Aromasin is very unique product, as it is whats known as a "steroidal suicide aromatase inhibitor," which means that it exerts its effects by blocking the enzyme responsible for the synthesization of estrogen from testosterone. It exerts this effect in an irreversible manner. This accounts for why it is called a "Suicidal Aromatase Inhibitor." Estrogen is responsible for many of the unwanted side effects atributed to steroids, including but not limited to water retention, acne, gynocomastia (development of breast tissue) and suppression of endogenous testosterone. Exemestane, possibly by eliminating estrogen's suppressive effects on the HPTA, also has the added benefit of boosting the users endogenous (natural) testosterone levels.

It is possible that the rise in endogenous levels of testosterone that exemestane causes could be unwanted by female athletes, because of possible virilizing effects. This is, however, highly unlikely. Exemestane exerts it's effects, at the reccomended dose, to a greater degree than most other commonly used Aromatase Inhibitors (it boasts an 85% rate of estrogen suppression). What makes Exemestane especially noteworthy is that usually a decrease in estrogen levels is positively correlated with a decrease in the anabolic hormone Insulin-Like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1), and has a negative impact on blood lipid profiles (cholesterol). Exemestane seems to not only increase IGF-1, but it has a positive effect on cholesterol.
Athletes who have reported using exemestane have found that 20mgs/day was enough to eliminate the water retention often experienced on heavy androgen cycles, as well as provide a slight anabolic effect, probably due to the increase in IGF-1 and endogenous testosterone levels it provides.

Exemestane sounds like a great PCT and will probably be my PCT of choice. Would you stack this with any other PCT's. This is my first cycle and I am currently taking 500 mg of sustanon every week. I am on a 10 week cycle. My first week, I pre loaded with 1000 mg. I have read that cortisol takes its toll at the end of your cycle. How would you control this? Kinda jumped into this cycle without researching too much beforehand and would appreciate any help you guys could give me.Thanks.
KJP

[Action]

Originally Posted by crazykp55

Exemestane sounds like a great PCT and will probably be my PCT of choice. Would you stack this with any other PCT's. This is my first cycle and I am currently taking 500 mg of sustanon every week. I am on a 10 week cycle. My first week, I pre loaded with 1000 mg. I have read that cortisol takes its toll at the end of your cycle. How would you control this? Kinda jumped into this cycle without researching too much beforehand and would appreciate any help you guys could give me.Thanks.
KJP

There's nothing set in stone but typically you should have an AI with a SERM along with a Test booster in PCT. Most people choose to use AR's PCT because of the reasons above; the use of Aromasin and Nolvadex along with Vitamin E and HCG is a kick ass combination and AR outlines why in his PCT protocol.

Have you researched the PCT options in the PCT section?

[basiclute009]

How effective is this PCT? this is the one ill be following

[Dead23]

Originally Posted by Action

There's nothing set in stone but typically you should have an AI with a SERM along with a Test booster in PCT.

Why does the 22 day PCT consist of two serms? Don't we need to destroy some estrogen instead of just blocking it... won't it come back later to bite if there isn't any AI?

[basiclute009]

is it wise to run the clomid while still on a 17a oral...?

[Action]

Originally Posted by Dead23

Why does the 22 day PCT consist of two serms? Don't we need to destroy some estrogen instead of just blocking it... won't it come back later to bite if there isn't any AI?

Very good question Dead. This is an older, more traditional version of PCT. Needless to say it is outdated. More current versions contain an AI, a SERM, HCG and some sort of natural Test booster.

I guess this is still being used by some of the newer guys on the simpler, more basic cycles.

[Action]

Originally Posted by basiclute009

is it wise to run the clomid while still on a 17a oral...?

Yes it's fine.

[basiclute009]

Originally Posted by Action

Yes it's fine.

appreciate the feedback action.

[huskie2020]

hey bros im ordering my PCT today heres what i have on my list tell me what you think.

1-novl
2-clom
3-igf
4-tribulus
would like to take aromisin but cant find it anywere.

[Action]

Hmmm, it seems like Aromasin's a lot scarcer these days...None of the sources carry it?

What's your cycle again? I would recommend adding an AI in there besides Aromasin if you can't get your hands on it. Arimidex or Letro, whichever one you can get your hands on. Letro would probably be a little more expensive and harder to get than Arimi.

[huskie2020]

my cycle looks like this.

tren ace-8 weeks-100mgs eod
test prop-8 weeks-200mgs eod
igf-40mcgs-ed-50 days

Then off for 8 weeks then repeat. i havent been able to find any l-dex either bro.

[Dead23]

Then you'll just have to resort to letro... Alot of the guys on here say not to use in in PCT. I wouldn't have a clue why. Don't know where they came to this conclusion but it's an AI just like L-dex and will be fine for PCT if you can't get a hold of anything else... Maybe just take it at a lower dosage so that you aren't getting rid of 98% of estrogen which would be quite harsh your the body... How about Proviron? You seen that around anywhere?

... yes I agree. Aromasin is very scarce and should be sold more readily. Why the hell is it scarce? Suppliers would make a killing from the shit. I'd be buying it for sure... Aromasin, Clomid, Nolv and proviron is my dream PCT stack.

... Either way you should really have an AI in there.

[Dead23]

Originally Posted by Action

None of the sources carry it?

One that I've seen... there's just one problem. He's an unreliable asshole.

[Action]

Originally Posted by Dead23

Then you'll just have to resort to letro... Alot of the guys on here say not to use in in PCT. I wouldn't have a clue why.

I don't either. I've always believed any AI in PCT will do, especially Letro and have always thought it would be great to use in PCT.

Problem is, I'm a firm believer and a big fan of Aromasin! Probably because I can get my hands on it quite easily...

[Action]

Originally Posted by Dead23

One that I've seen... there's just one problem. He's an unreliable asshole.

K, you guys just aren't looking hard enough. Granted, they're not AAS sources but a few of them still have Aromasin. I know two of them for sure that have it. These ARE in the source section main page by the way:

http://www.steroidworld.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=1328

[huskie2020]

thanks bros i found some from chemone so my pct looks like this.

aromasin-40 aday
novl-40mgs a day
tribulus-suggested amount
i took out the igf ging to save it for the next cycle. iv been reading on tren extrem its a ph im thinking about trying that with my pct or would that be over kill?

[Dead23]

Originally Posted by jas0nwilkins

thanks bros i found some from chemone so my pct looks like this.

aromasin-40 aday
novl-40mgs a day
tribulus-suggested amount
i took out the igf ging to save it for the next cycle. iv been reading on tren extrem its a ph im thinking about trying that with my pct or would that be over kill?

Put clomid in there to raise your LH levels faster! Nolv is no where as effective at raising LH levels as is clomid.

thanx for the link action