Anthony Roberts PCT

[crazedhate]

oh. ok. i am a dummy. how are slin pin shots? no big deal? what size are those buggers anyways?

[WetWorks]

Originally Posted by crazedhate

oh. ok. i am a dummy. how are slin pin shots? no big deal? what size are those buggers anyways?

1 cc, get the ones with 100 units on the side, for easier measuring.

[crazedhate]

thanks yet again WW

[GuitarCrazyo]

split it 2x day.. morning n before bed ... works for me

pct chems in liquid form will be better refrigerated out of sunlight

[kdogg244]

Originally Posted by zidane9979

i have been off 2 weeks and im dieting hard so im losing fat but all my gains with the exception of water weight i have kept all my gains... good stuff for real

Did you start PCT one week after your last shot like he recommends? I have always waited the necessary time for the gear to get out before starting. This seems to be a newer concept. Thoughts?

[huggybear]

hey guys iv been having gyno problems, i had to surgicaly remove it!! so on my up coming cycle should i take nolvadex wile ON my cycle??

[alaski]

Originally Posted by huggybear

hey guys iv been having gyno problems, i had to surgicaly remove it!! so on my up coming cycle should i take nolvadex wile ON my cycle??

I don't know if a recurrence is possible with after surgery but I would think so. Run an anti E for better results.

[kdogg244]

When you had the surgery, did he take the gland out? If so, then you cannot get gyno again.

[anthonyclark]

If they cut the glnds out,Gyno should never be a problem again.

[Ricky189]

Hi,

Just started this protocol...day 3 today. How has it worked for those who've tried it and is it better than other protocols that involve clomid?

I've spent countless hours researching this and decided on the AR protocol....hope it's what I need.

[maxgtl]

Yes, do some more reading on Clomid and you will understand and feel better about your decision.

[Ricky189]

Lol....trust me max Ive spent more hours reading than I'd care to guess and so many varying and conflicting opinions.

What I get out of it is the AR protocol is the newest theory and those who still push for clomid seem to do so because they've used it forever and it works for them.

I chose AR because of the write up that started this thread and it seemed to explain how all bases should be covered. I am shut down so bad so this seems to be the best choice and if 1 round doesn't work I'll do another.

[newbie80]

Where can u get the slin pins from and where do I find the Vitamin E at 1000 iu? Thanks

[chiselmeat]

Originally Posted by newbie80

Where can u get the slin pins from and where do I find the Vitamin E at 1000 iu? Thanks

Vitamin E can be picked up at any drugstore

Try GPZ Services for the pins

[bulk]

F@ck me!
this is a harcore pct:
Do all cycles need such heavy aftercare?
i tend to stick to short&sweet cycles, on moderate dosages, when i run test, i run @ 500mg, no more, along with maybe 150mg per week of winny for 6 weeks, ill add a little clen for 2 weeks from weeks 4 to 6, and ill run a nolvadex from week 2 along side the entire cycle: simple but effective, 20lbs is very achievable, and you will keep 14lbs.
3 similar cycles per year= a lot of muscle with almost no sides:
jeez, what kinda cycles would warrant so much pct? LOL:
GREAT POST THOUGH, im impressed and the info is accurate, if you need it.

[cappybye]

Originally Posted by bulk

F@ck me!
this is a harcore pct:
Do all cycles need such heavy aftercare?
i tend to stick to short&sweet cycles, on moderate dosages, when i run test, i run @ 500mg, no more, along with maybe 150mg per week of winny for 6 weeks, ill add a little clen for 2 weeks from weeks 4 to 6, and ill run a nolvadex from week 2 along side the entire cycle: simple but effective, 20lbs is very achievable, and you will keep 14lbs.
3 similar cycles per year= a lot of muscle with almost no sides:
jeez, what kinda cycles would warrant so much pct? LOL:
GREAT POST THOUGH, im impressed and the info is accurate, if you need it.

I'm with you on this one, partially. If you've been on gear for 12+ weeks many enter the next phase of shut-down, then it takes more to get started. For short cycles 6-8 weeks I think it's overkill, sure it may work, but less would work too, maybe even better. Plus the HCG in PCT thing I really have a problem with. But hey we're all different. Nolva on cycle may work, but a low dose of Adex could be preferable, at least in principle. After the cycle Nolva plus a low dose of Exemestane (no more than half of what AR recommends) is what I will use next time.

I followed AR PCT to a tee last year after 12 weeks of Test E and suffered terribly, considering the simple cycle and dose.

[bulk]

F@ck me!
that pct will cost more than the cycle itself, lol, its cost more to balance your hormones, than it does to unbalance them!
sheesh!, excellent post though

[bulk]

hey cappy
well, i think you hit the nail on the head when you say you suffered on this pct.
In writing it looks good, in reality i think a lot of guys will struggle, I realy think that if your running high doses of multiple "Vits" then yeah, you will need this or something close, but running moderate or even up to 750mg of test , then you wont need this pct, also Hcg is good, but again only for high 1000mg+ type cycles:
Personaly, i like to keep nolva on hand and introduce it as soon as i feel i need it, also Hcg can be introduced anytime, when the testies start to tighten, you dont have to wait till the end of a cycle:
I think more folks here should give us thier opinions and feedback on such an important issue.
sincere thanks cappy+soz for the looong msge

[bulk]

Originally Posted by cappybye

I'm with you on this one, partially. If you've been on gear for 12+ weeks many enter the next phase of shut-down, then it takes more to get started. For short cycles 6-8 weeks I think it's overkill, sure it may work, but less would work too, maybe even better. Plus the HCG in PCT thing I really have a problem with. But hey we're all different. Nolva on cycle may work, but a low dose of Adex could be preferable, at least in principle. After the cycle Nolva plus a low dose of Exemestane (no more than half of what AR recommends) is what I will use next time.

I followed AR PCT to a tee last year after 12 weeks of Test E and suffered terribly, considering the simple cycle and dose.

hey cappy
heres a typical cycle i use,
sus250@ 500mg pw
decca @ 400mg pw
Winny @ 50mgx3 pw
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PCT nolva @ 20mg pd and proviron @ 50mg pd after a few weeks:

the cycle runs for 10 weeks, nolva+prov start on the 3rd week to run alongside the cycle till the end:
Short, simple, low sides, effective:
feedback welcome

[bulk]

Guys
Here in the uk, a lot of guys actualy start pct on the 1st day of week 2
A typical cycle i like to run would be as follows

weeks 1-8 sustanon 500mg P/Week
weeks 1-8 decca 300mg p?week
weeks 1-5 d-bol oral 45mgs P/Day

At the begining of week to i will start PCT as follows

Nolv= 20mgs ED until the cycle ends
Proviron 25mgs ED untill cycle ends:

I noticed a lot of guys here start PCT at the End of thier cycles, were i would run it During the cycle:

Whats your opinion on this, Do you guys ever do this? Ami wrong in doing it this way?

Thanks guys, please let me know what you think as Pct has always been a tricky area for me:

[chiselmeat]

As you know post cycle therapy is to get your natural testosterone production going after the cycle has shut it down.. The tamoxifin citrate (nolva) will selectively modulate your estrogen but will not serve to re-start your test production. The proviron won't either.

[bulk]

Originally Posted by chiselmeat

As you know post cycle therapy is to get your natural testosterone production going after the cycle has shut it down.. The tamoxifin citrate (nolva) will selectively modulate your estrogen but will not serve to re-start your test production. The proviron won't either.

Hi C:
Yes your right, The Proviron reduces aromatization+reduces excess water, it also gives a Hardening effect, i find it works well with nov:

I never use HCG: but i do find with the doses i take i can suffer a little shrinkage in the testies, wich come back to normal in around 2 weeks:

Can you recommend anything thats effective except Hcg for re-starting natural test?

thanks c:

[cappybye]

Agree on the HCG, a little shrinkage will come back lickity-split. But PCT is POST cycle therapy, whatever you're doing during the cycle isn't PCT. BTW I totally disagree with what you're doing. Nolva on cycle will prevent gyno, but will still allow Estrogen levels to rise. I don't know why one would use it on-cycle unless gyno is an issue, and even then Adex is a better choice as it controls total E production at source. Also 20mg of Nolva ED on cycle is a lot of Nolva!

In your case I would run Deca 8 weeks, Sustanon 9 weeks, have Adex on hand to use on cycle if E control is required, and I would use Nolva 20/day and exemestane 12.5/day for PCT starting 10 days after you last Sust shot. My opinion.

[chiselmeat]

Originally Posted by bulk

Hi C:
Yes your right, The Proviron reduces aromatization+reduces excess water, it also gives a Hardening effect, i find it works well with nov:

I never use HCG: but i do find with the doses i take i can suffer a little shrinkage in the testies, wich come back to normal in around 2 weeks:

Can you recommend anything thats effective except Hcg for re-starting natural test?

thanks c:

NO I never was sucsesfull with PCT. I now do TRT...........

[harvester of sorrow]

Originally Posted by bulk

Hi C:
Yes your right, The Proviron reduces aromatization+reduces excess water, it also gives a Hardening effect, i find it works well with nov:

I never use HCG: but i do find with the doses i take i can suffer a little shrinkage in the testies, wich come back to normal in around 2 weeks:

Can you recommend anything thats effective except Hcg for re-starting natural test?

thanks c:

bulk - there's some debate whether this works or not, but Bulgarian Tribulus is supposed to help - I can't say for sure - but I've been taking 1500 mgs., along with my other pct.