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Old 03-05-2007, 08:01 PM
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When taking arimidex in a bulk cycle do you still take clomid at the end of cycle?

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Old 03-05-2007, 08:17 PM
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As far as I know you should take clomid during post. Stay away from nolvidex.
This is what I read. Action,Kingmerc, or Niloc could tell more. These Guys are full of good info.
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Old 03-05-2007, 09:24 PM
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When taking arimidex in a bulk cycle do you still take clomid at the end of cycle?
Yeah sure u can.Arimidex is kinda like clomid or nolva,Ive heard many different stories on how clomid is outdated and useless and how some only think arimidex and nolva work.And Ive heard depending on what compounds u take and how much mgs an how long u run them depends on if clomid or nolva or arimidex for pct is best or what brings them back to recovery quicker.All of are bodies are different, so i would suggest using higher doses of clomid and nolva for pct then the mgs u used during cycle with arimidex for an anti-aromitaser.So u can recover asap,and keep most of your gains.
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Old 03-06-2007, 07:53 AM
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When taking arimidex in a bulk cycle do you still take clomid at the end of cycle?
Yes you should...And you should combine the Clomid with Nolvadex for PCT...Arimidex during cycle is great to keep estrogen levels low and some studies have also shown that it can raise Test levels slightly...0.5 mgs daily should suffice...

Nothing, in my opinion, is better at kickstarting your HPTA into working order again than Clomid and Nolvadex in PCT...
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Old 03-06-2007, 09:00 AM
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Something I found on Arimidex.

Anastrozole (Arimidex®) is the aromatase inhibitor of choice. The drug is appropriately used when using substantial amounts of aromatizing steroids, or when one is prone to gynecomastia and using moderate amounts of such steroids. Arimidex does not have the side effects of aminoglutethimide (Cytadren®) and can achieve a high degree of estrogen blockade, much moreso than Cytadren®. It is possible to reduce estrogen too much with Arimidex, and for this reason blood tests, or less preferably salivary tests, should be taken after the first week of use to determine if the dosing is correct.

As an aromatase inhibitor, Arimidex's mechanism of action -- blocking conversion of aromatizable steroids to estrogen -- is in contrast to the mechanism of action of anti-estrogens such as clomiphene (Clomid®) or tamoxifen (Nolvadex®), which block estrogen receptors in some tissues, and activate estrogen receptors in others. During a cycle, if using Arimidex, there is generally no need to use Clomid as well, but (as mentioned in the section on Clomid) there may still be benefits to doing so.

And from what I have read on Clomid I would take it post cycle even after taking Arimidex.
I am by no means an expert this is based on what I have read. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night lol

Cosmo

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Old 03-06-2007, 09:09 AM
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But I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night lolCosmo
Nice...Hopefully you weren't alone!
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Old 03-06-2007, 09:52 AM
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But I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night lol
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Old 03-06-2007, 10:24 AM
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Thanks bros !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 03-06-2007, 09:54 PM
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Question Nolvadex and clomid pct

When taking arimidex during the cycle how do you take nolvadex and clomid for the pct. Like how many mg a day and stuff like that.
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Old 03-06-2007, 10:28 PM
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Below you'll find starting times for your PCT based on the active life of each compound. The active life is the duration of time it takes for the exogenous hormone to be absorbed, utilized, and expelled; no longer being bioavailable. Keep in mind that active life is an approximation which is dependant on dose, ester, as well as the individuals metabolization of the compound ; but for the moderate user, these are as close to precise as you'll find.

Anadrol/Anapolan: 24 hours after last administration
Deca: 21 days after last injection
Dianabol: 24 hours after last administration
Equipoise: 21 days after last injection
Fina: 3 days after last injection
Primobolan depot: 14 days after last injection
Sustanon: 18 days after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate: 18 days after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate: 14 days after last injection
Testosterone Propionate: 3 days after last injection
Testosterone Suspension: 24 hours after last administration
Winstrol: 24 hours after last administration
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Old 03-06-2007, 10:29 PM
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What kind of compunds r u taking?And how many mgs per compound?Id also like to add that some people take clomid or nolva even through the whole cycle,and 2 weeks after last injection.Theres alot of conflicting studies on why people do this tho.

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Old 03-06-2007, 10:48 PM
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When To Start Clomid
The correct time to commence Clomid depends on the type and cycle of steroids you have been using. Different steroids have different half-lifes (indicates the time a substance diminishes in blood), and Clomid administration should be taken accordingly.

As we have seen above, Clomid taken when androgen levels in our blood are still high will be a waste. It is crucial to wait for androgen levels to fall before implementing our Clomid therapy. However, if taken too late we could possibly lose gains.

The list below determines when you should start Clomid. Select from the list any steroids you've used in your cycle and whichever one has the latest starting point is the time to commence Clomid. For example, if Dianabol, Sustanon and Winstrol were cycled, the time for administering Clomid should be 3 weeks post cycle, as Sustanon remains active in the body for the longest period of time.
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Old 03-06-2007, 10:56 PM
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............ srry messed up on this one look below for other chart

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Old 03-06-2007, 11:01 PM
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heres a better chart for you

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Old 03-06-2007, 11:03 PM
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How To Take Clomid
Clomid has a long half-life (possibly 5 days), so there is no need to split up doses throughout the day. If Sustanon has been used and Clomid is commenced 3 weeks after the last injection, I would estimate that androgen levels are low enough to start sending the correct signals. If androgen levels are still a little high, we need to start at a high enough amount that will work or help, even if androgen levels are still a little high. Try 300mg on day 1; then use 100mg for the next 10 days; followed by 50mg for 10 days.

How to take Nolvadex for PCT
As an alternative to Clomid, which has been reported to have led to unwanted side effects such as visual disturbances in some users, Nolvadex can be employed. Nolvadex is a trade name for the drug Tamoxifen. Like Clomid, the half life of Nolvadex is relatively long enabling the user to implement a single daily dosing schedule. Administration would start as per the timescales outlined above and the duration would be identical to that of Clomid.

Typically, for a moderate-heavy cycle, the following dosages would be used:
Day 1 - 100mg
Following 10 days - 60mg
Following 10 days - 40mg

Occasionally, heavier cycles containing perhaps Nandrolone (Deca) or Trenbolone which by definition are particularly suppressive of the HPTA, may require a slightly longer therapy. Likewise, more modest/shorter cycles may require lower dosages, perhaps dropping each by 20mg per day.

Some users like to use both Clomid and Nolvadex in their PCT in an attempt to cover all angles. An example of the dosages involved might be:

Day 1 - Clomid 200mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg or Nolvadex 20mg

Of course, the examples provided are not set in stone and may be adjusted depending on the factors outlined above and individual variances.

Using HCG
It is our opinion that HCG is probably one of the most misunderstood and misused compounds in bodybuilding. Hopefully this information will go some way towards rectifying that for the members of MuscleTalk. HCG stands for Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin and is not a steroid, but a natural peptide hormone which develops in the placenta of pregnant women during pregnancy to controls the mother's hormones. (Incidentally, this is the reason you may hear of people testing for growth hormone (HGH) with a pregnancy testing kit - If their HGH shows 'pregnant', they've been ripped-off with cheaper HCG - but we digress slightly).

Its action in the male body is like that of LH, stimulating the Leydig cells in the testes to produce testosterone even in the absence of endogenous LH. HCG is therefore used during longer or heavier steroid cycles to maintain testicular size and condition, or to bring atrophied (shrunken) testicles back up to their original condition in preparation for post-cycle Clomid therapy. This process is necessary because atrophied testicles produce reduced levels of natural testosterone, this situation should be rectified prior to post-cycle Clomid therapy.

HCG administration post-cycle is common practice among bodybuilders in the belief that it will aid the natural testosterone recovery, but this theory is unfounded and also counterproductive. The rapid rise in both testosterone, and thus oestrogen due to aromatisation, from the administration of HCG causes further inhibition of the HPTA (Hypothalamic/Pituitary/Testicular Axis - feedback loop discussed above); this actually worsens the recovery situation. HCG does not restore the natural testosterone production.

The typically observed dosing of 2000 to 5000IU every 4 to 5 days causes such an increase in oestrogen levels via aromatisation of the natural testosterone that this has been responsible for many cases of gynecomastia.

From the above discussion it is clear that HCG is best used during a cycle, either to:

1) Avoid testicular atrophy, or
2) Rectify the problem of an existing testicular atrophy.

Doses of HCG
Smaller doses, more frequently during a cycle will give best overall results with least unwanted side effects. Somewhere between 500IU and 1000IU per day would be best over about a two-week period. These doses are sufficient to avoid/rectify testicular atrophy without increasing oestrogen levels too dramatically and risking gynecomastia. This dosing schedule also avoids the risk of permanently down-regulating the LH receptors in the testes.

It is important for the HCG administration to have been completed with 6 or 7 clear days before the onset of PCT in order to avoid inhibition of the Nolvadex and/or Clomid therapy. Also, a small daily dose (10-20mg) of Nolvadex would normally be used in conjunction with HCG in order to prevent oestrogenic symptoms caused by sudden increases in aromatisation.
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Old 03-07-2007, 08:33 AM
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When taking arimidex during the cycle how do you take nolvadex and clomid for the pct. Like how many mg a day and stuff like that.
Ok, I'll post this up again...

Take the Nolvadex and Clomid on a 22 day cycle...Regardless of what compounds you take I would keep it the same for every PCT...It will look like this:

Day 1: Clomid @ 300 mgs./Nolvadex @ 40 mgs.
Day 2: Clomid @ 200 mgs./Nolvadex @ 40 mgs.
Days 3-11: Clomid @ 100 mgs./Nolvadex @ 40 mgs.
Days 12-22: Clomid @ 50 mgs./Nolvadex @ 20 mgs.


Short, sweet, simple and to the point...Trust me...I've been doing it this way for years...It works...
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Old 03-12-2007, 10:09 PM
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When taking arimidex during the cycle how do you take nolvadex and clomid for the pct. Like how many mg a day and stuff like that.
Check this out bro I was really impressed with this article.
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Old 03-12-2007, 11:01 PM
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It's funny because for a long time I wasn't taking HCG on cycle, only PCT...

I was taking large doses of it PCT (2500 iu's)...I was still problems keeping a lot of my gains...

It wasn't until I tried it on cycle that I noticed a big difference...

HCG us so underrated it's not funny...
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