Need help with my PCT (first cylce)

[binarylogic]

I'm new here, and I'm close to finishing my first cycle. I've read about everything I can read regarding PCT. I like to know what I'm doing and understand why I'm doing it. The problem is that everyone has different opinions. I've heard people say 'keep it simple, Nolvidex only' and others say 'follow Anthony Robert's PCT', which seems much more complicated. Then you have to whole HCG debate whether you should take it during or post cycle.

I'm confused to say the least. I know it's annoying to have someone come on here and ask such a basic question. And I can assure you I have spent time doing research. I just want straight forward advice from someone that is knowledgeable and has had success. So any help is greatly appreciated.

This is my first cycle:
Test Cyp (12 weeks, 500mg/wk)
Deca (10 weeks, 200mg/wk)

This is what I was thinking of doing:
week 1
Clomid 200 mg ed
Nolvadex 40 mg ed

week 2
Clomid 150 mg ed
Nolvadex 40 mg ed

Week 3
Clomid 100 mg ed
Nolvadex 20 mg ed

week 4
Clomid 50 mg ed
Nolvadex 20 mg ed


Does this seem like a standard / smart PCT based on my cycle? Any changes?
Would you recommend adding in HCG? I haven't noticed any major shrinkage. Maybe a little bit, but nothing major.

Again, thanks for your help.

[badstone]

Its looks good. I would recommend some tribulis at @ 1500mg a day and Vit B6 at about 600mg a day for your PCT cycle.

Originally Posted by binarylogic

I'm new here, and I'm close to finishing my first cycle. I've read about everything I can read regarding PCT. I like to know what I'm doing and understand why I'm doing it. The problem is that everyone has different opinions. I've heard people say 'keep it simple, Nolvidex only' and others say 'follow Anthony Robert's PCT', which seems much more complicated. Then you have to whole HCG debate whether you should take it during or post cycle.

I'm confused to say the least. I know it's annoying to have someone come on here and ask such a basic question. And I can assure you I have spent time doing research. I just want straight forward advice from someone that is knowledgeable and has had success. So any help is greatly appreciated.

This is my first cycle:
Test Cyp (12 weeks, 500mg/wk)
Deca (10 weeks, 200mg/wk)

This is what I was thinking of doing:
week 1
Clomid 200 mg ed
Nolvadex 40 mg ed

week 2
Clomid 150 mg ed
Nolvadex 40 mg ed

Week 3
Clomid 100 mg ed
Nolvadex 20 mg ed

week 4
Clomid 50 mg ed
Nolvadex 20 mg ed


Does this seem like a standard / smart PCT based on my cycle? Any changes?
Would you recommend adding in HCG? I haven't noticed any major shrinkage. Maybe a little bit, but nothing major.

Again, thanks for your help.

[harvester of sorrow]

Clomid doses might be a little heavy. I think you can go to 100 after your first week especially if your doing 200 ED for the first week. I've done 300/200/100 for the first 3 days of PCT and kept it at 100 for 3 weeks and dropped it to 50 in the last week. This goes to your point about confusion - everyone responds differently to different PCT regimens and you are your own best guinea pig. You will fine tune it over time. The only other thing is listen to your body. Clomid beat me up pretty bad so I lowered the dose and extended the PCT a week. I didn't run HCG my first cycle but did my next. I found out liked it. I would read up on exemestane - I think it's a nice addition to PCT at 25mgs for 1-2 weeks then down to 12.5 for the last two. That said, if running exemestane I don't think you need clomid and nolva - one or the other. My .02 - good luck bro

[binarylogic]

Thanks for the simple and helpful replies. Really appreciate it.

[binarylogic]

Hi harvester, what do you mean by 'clomid beat you up pretty bad'? Just curious what side effects it has. Thanks.

Also, extremely dumb question, but I'd rather be safe than sorry. I assume ED means 'every day'. Just wanted to be sure. Is this correct?

Thanks for your help.

[harvester of sorrow]

Binary-
sorry for the vagueness - clomid can cause some guys get very emotional. Jealousy is one emotion I can attest to, or an overall feeling of being needy or nagging about things that would never otherwise affect you. Some guys say F clomid for that reason and just go with Nolva. I keep Nolva on hand in case of gyno but I don't seem to be prone, so it's rare I use it. For PCT I prefer Clomid because I feel it gets my balls back to normal quicker but some say Nolva is no different and just as an effective SERM. Again, it's personal and needs to be fine tuned.

So quick answer it makes you watch girly flicks and cry a lot and eat ice-cream. I'm exaggerating but you get my point. You turn into an emotional little bitch. That's why I had to scale it back and extend my PCT. I would also emphasize the use of an AI (during PCT).