wrong side effects, needing more info on pct

[kevo]

Ok guys been taking sus250 for sometime, standard 12 week cycles , nolva/exemestane 22 day pct. But now on my last cycle started seeing major hair loss and loss of sexual attention. Balls might atrophed, wont keep an erection, always feeling weak.

Any help appreciated, im only 23!

[powerman]

Originally Posted by kevo

Ok guys been taking sus250 for sometime, standard 12 week cycles , nolva/exemestane 22 day pct. But now on my last cycle started seeing major hair loss and loss of sexual attention. Balls might atrophed, wont keep an erection, always feeling weak.

Any help appreciated, im only 23!

What are you doin now cycle wise..In the meantime theres.... Viagra til you figure out whats wrong

Man this has to suck...ive never had any issues with anything.....

Give us the details of your current cycle somebody can probably help ya

[kevo]

Well now im not on a cycle. Hoping the balls will come back over time and yea ive use viagra but that doesnt exactly help all the time. I was thinking of hcg but not sure if or how itll help now.

[powerman]

Originally Posted by kevo

Well now im not on a cycle. Hoping the balls will come back over time and yea ive use viagra but that doesnt exactly help all the time. I was thinking of hcg but not sure if or how itll help now.

Dam bro i have no experience with pct or HCG..how long ago did you finish your cycle....this seems rare for just a sust cycle...how soon before you can cycle again?

[kevo]

You dont do pct?? Last did my cycle a week before halloween. I dont want to cycle on again just yet bc id just be adding more towards the damage. Should i see a dr?

[Supaman]

You don't need a doctor. Get yourself 10,000iu of hcg and some bac water to reconstitute.

You will also need some nolva/exemestane unless you still have some.

Follow the following pct which you will find in the PCT section, I just modified it to fit your needs:

Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 1000iu/EOD 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/EOD 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 12.5mgs/day
4 20mgs/day

[rottie]

Originally Posted by Supaman

You don't need a doctor. Get yourself 10,000iu of hcg and some bac water to reconstitute.

You will also need some nolva/exemestane unless you still have some.

Follow the following pct which you will find in the PCT section, I just modified it to fit your needs:

Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 1000iu/EOD 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/EOD 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 12.5mgs/day
4 20mgs/day

BUMP aromasin will kill the extra estrogen in you and HCG Will bring your nuts back, if this don't work be sure to let these guys know, they'll get ya up and running

[cappybye]

Supaman sorry but I have to disagree here......

It sounds like typical estrogen rebound. Cycle ends, Test slowly wears off, estrogen levels stay high, soon all Test is gone, natural production hasn't started yet, so no Test and plenty Estrogen means no more sex drive. HCG isn't gonna help you at this point unless you are still in a complete shut down, meaning your nuts have not even started to get bigger, which I highly doubt. If your recovery has started, taking HCG now would be one step backwards because while it might make your nuts come back faster, at the same time it will shut down your natural LH and cancel any progress towards recovery you might have made since the cycle ended. Then you have to restart your natural LH production, which leads to Test production, which leads to recovery, I strong recommend against it. What you need to do is kill that extra estrogen with an AI.

It could also be more complicated that that. My last cycle ended in July and my libido still isn't what it should be. These are complicated matters and there really isn't a simple answer. You can't cycle again until you have made a complete recovery and waited a couple of months after.

[Supaman]

Originally Posted by cappybye

Supaman sorry but I have to disagree here......

It sounds like typical estrogen rebound. Cycle ends, Test slowly wears off, estrogen levels stay high, soon all Test is gone, natural production hasn't started yet, so no Test and plenty Estrogen means no more sex drive. HCG isn't gonna help you at this point unless you are still in a complete shut down, meaning your nuts have not even started to get bigger, which I highly doubt. If your recovery has started, taking HCG now would be one step backwards because while it might make your nuts come back faster, at the same time it will shut down your natural LH and cancel any progress towards recovery you might have made since the cycle ended. Then you have to restart your natural LH production, which leads to Test production, which leads to recovery, I strong recommend against it. What you need to do is kill that extra estrogen with an AI.

It could also be more complicated that that. My last cycle ended in July and my libido still isn't what it should be. These are complicated matters and there really isn't a simple answer. You can't cycle again until you have made a complete recovery and waited a couple of months after.

Here is my point of view:

He already ran an AI in his pct. If he didn't need hcg to bounce back then he would have noticed some improvement after his initial pct.
I actually ran the same thing for my pct few months back and was in the same situation. I did 4 weeks nolv/aromasin then waited few weeks after that. I still had small balls and no libido whatsoever. I ran hcg with nolva/aromasin and it brought me back within few weeks.

On a side note, LH suppression is never an issue, it can bounce back fairly easy compared to testis, so much litterature about it.

Either way, good luck OP.

[cappybye]

Originally Posted by Supaman

On a side note, LH suppression is never an issue, it can bounce back fairly easy compared to testis, so much litterature about it.

You're right, but it isn't the LH suppression that's the issue here, it's the Test production. By this time his body must be well on its way to getting that restored. Not enough for his sense of well-being to be fully restored, but still underway. By taking HCG this late he will shut that down again and have to start almost from scratch after he finishes the HCG. You may be right, you must have a point if it worked for you, but I wouldn't do it myself. I would continue with Nolva and a low dose AI for a few weeks.

[powerman]

Originally Posted by kevo

You dont do pct?? Last did my cycle a week before halloween. I dont want to cycle on again just yet bc id just be adding more towards the damage. Should i see a dr?

Did 1 week of pct then stopped never needed it didnt like clomid or nolvadex...kept my gains, no libido probs ..After 2nd or 3 rd cycle i just went to TRT

[Supaman]

Originally Posted by cappybye

You're right, but it isn't the LH suppression that's the issue here, it's the Test production. By this time his body must be well on its way to getting that restored. Not enough for his sense of well-being to be fully restored, but still underway. By taking HCG this late he will shut that down again and have to start almost from scratch after he finishes the HCG. You may be right, you must have a point if it worked for you, but I wouldn't do it myself. I would continue with Nolva and a low dose AI for a few weeks.

I guess it's personal preference and how your body reacts. What I know from my experience, hcg is like nitro to you pct. You can either wait till your libido comes back and pray that it will not take its sweet time. Or you can boost it with hcg. For me that's how I felt. And after doing hcg, my libido came roaring back and I did not noticed any suppression from it.

[cappybye]

Sounds great for you, unfortunately I've never been so lucky. After my last cycle I ran some HCG a couple of weeks into PCT, looking for a boost, but actually think it made things worse.

[swimjake]

guys I need some help finding a thread to ask a question about wether to stack two test boosters in a cycle or not... while taking a estrogen reducer/modulator?

[neoconjerk]

Originally Posted by swimjake

guys I need some help finding a thread to ask a question about wether to stack two test boosters in a cycle or not... while taking a estrogen reducer/modulator?

If you're on-cycle, you don't need test boosters. Unless you're talking about some other kind of cycle...

[tlem841]

Hey guys ever think if your taking forever to come back maybe its the PCT products? Just curious cause I get shutdown hard from deca but it hit me that maybe my stuff sucked

[Supaman]

Originally Posted by tlem841

Hey guys ever think if your taking forever to come back maybe its the PCT products? Just curious cause I get shutdown hard from deca but it hit me that maybe my stuff sucked

Exactly what I was gonna say.
And cappy, if hcg didn't make a difference for you, then maybe your hcg was weak/bunk.
When I ran legit hcg, I could feel my balls tingling minutes after injecting and I felt my libido coming back within few days. Also orgasms were way stronger and the load was a lot bigger (no homo lol)

[Supaman]

One more thing guys, pay attention to where you buy your ancillaries from and get hg or ug if possible instead of the research sites.
They might be legit but can be hit or miss.
Once I got a buy 1 get 1 deal, and one of them bottles was not legit. So how reliable can they be?!

[prime]

Originally Posted by Supaman

Exactly what I was gonna say.
And cappy, if hcg didn't make a difference for you, then maybe your hcg was weak/bunk.
When I ran legit hcg, I could feel my balls tingling minutes after injecting and I felt my libido coming back within few days. Also orgasms were way stronger and the load was a lot bigger (no homo lol)

Yeah..my first experiece with HCG was tremendous. Overnight my testis came back and I was way more vascular during this period as well. It was some vet stuff too. Since then any HCG I've had never has had that affect so never sure if it's just old balls not responding or bunk hcg.

[cappybye]

Originally Posted by Supaman

And cappy, if hcg didn't make a difference for you, then maybe your hcg was weak/bunk.

Organon Pharm Grade in a three-pack bought at a fairly big pharmacy in Cancun, outside the tourist area. Pretty much certain as I can be that it was legit.

[Supaman]

Originally Posted by prime

Yeah..my first experiece with HCG was tremendous. Overnight my testis came back and I was way more vascular during this period as well. It was some vet stuff too. Since then any HCG I've had never has had that affect so never sure if it's just old balls not responding or bunk hcg.

Well they say you get what you pay for.
Legit hg hcg sells for 60+$ around here.
What we get is Chinese generics for 20-25$.
You figure out the rest...

[prime]

Originally Posted by Supaman

Well they say you get what you pay for.
Legit hg hcg sells for 60+$ around here.
What we get is Chinese generics for 20-25$.
You figure out the rest...

I need to buy a prego kit to test my hcg I guess.

[cappybye]

I think it sells for around $70-75 for a three-pack and $25-30 for a single in Mexico. In Egypt it was also $20-30 at a reliable pharmacy, that was a few years ago. Of course by the time any of these make it to the US it's safe to assume the price will have doubled.

[kevo]

Ok well in my situation, do you guys feel i should take hcg? I dont really feel my nuts coming back, the only time my sex drive might come around is in the morning, i still have nolva and aromasin available as well as hcg

[cappybye]

Originally Posted by kevo

Ok well in my situation, do you guys feel i should take hcg? I dont really feel my nuts coming back, the only time my sex drive might come around is in the morning, i still have nolva and aromasin available as well as hcg

The choice is yours, you've seen what everyone has to say. If your nuts really are still shrunk after three weeks of PCT then you can try the HCG shock treatment, 5000 in one week. Along with the Nolva and Aromasin as suggested.