wrong side effects, needing more info on pct

[swimjake]

Sorry i used the word "cycle", I meant after cycle... in my pct, would it be ok to stack two different test boosters for 4-6 weeks?
if one has a "modulator" in it, should i take an additional estrogen blocker?

about a week and half into pct now, my nuts are coming back, still no libido and when I get "up" a little bit, its weak and doesnt last.... this bothers me to no end... can you suggest a supplement that is easily obtainable? and where?

thanks for all the help guys, this is my first go-around with this, I had awesome result on cycle, just trying to get back to my old libido and "stiffies" asap.

[swimjake]

so right now, i have been using TESTOPRO and was gonna start a straight d-aspartic supplement on top (3,000mg) was the idea... the e-blocker i was told to get is called FORMEXX BLACK... but as i said, the TESTOPRO has e-modulator in it, which as i understand is not the same thing... just dont want to overdo the test or e-blocker... wanting a balance..

[prime]

good luck. please keep us posted.

as a precaution next time(if there is), run hcg during cycle.

[cappybye]

Originally Posted by swimjake

so right now, i have been using TESTOPRO and was gonna start a straight d-aspartic supplement on top (3,000mg) was the idea... the e-blocker i was told to get is called FORMEXX BLACK... but as i said, the TESTOPRO has e-modulator in it, which as i understand is not the same thing... just dont want to overdo the test or e-blocker... wanting a balance..

You can take those Test boosters if you want but they are nothing compared to SERMs and AIs, which are real drugs. "Boosters" are by and large just hyped-up bullshit products and I doubt any of them work. The low libido you are experiencing is completely normal. What are you taking for PCT?

[swimjake]

thanks a bunch for responding men.

So my Pct has been the following: I am on day 7 today of pct after cycle
Formexx Black (which i was told was a "Serm" or "AI"), what REAL serms or ai's are available to me, that i can get ordered asap?

Testopro, 2 in AM, 2 in PM...starting 5 days before cycle ended
yesterday, day 5 into pct, started "pharm" grade D-aspartic acid, 3g...

2000mg of L-arginine

Milk Thistle, 4 a day

Anavar, for creatine uptake and nitro kick... first time on any of this stuff...first cycle period.

Anything you guys got! Bring IT! I want to learn, and I want to be safe and professional.

[cappybye]

Holy Shit man that is NOT a PCT, everything you have there is totally useless. Try rasaresearch they deliver fast. You need to get some Nolva (Tamoxifen) and some Aromasin (Exemestane) like yesterday........

PCT is important.

[swimjake]

Dude, thank you... I want to ask you if you could explain generally what those are going to be doing for me, how long I should stay on them, and what dosage... but I will do my "do diligence" as well... maybe I can answer them myself..

I got all my starter "kit" stuff from this hardcore bodybuilding supplement store out side of the city I live in. They are kinda "underground" so I thought I was getting some pretty awesome advice... not GNC or VitaminShoppe advice.

[swimjake]

Ok, so got on the site, it looks like they are "dropper" bottles... and I understand what they do... it sounds like they REALLY do what this other shit is supposed to do...

It says the quantity in each bottle and dosage, but is one bottle of each enough supply for an adequate PCT? Once the package is here does it give a suggested serving amount... or am I on my own to determine that because if so I will surely need your feedback on doing this safely...

Mean time, as I start this now on week two (get them overnighted to me) I am thinking I should be adding a TEST booster of some kind? not this other off the shelf stuff?

What helps get your test back normal and lets your body recover to its natural state again? Would not doing a test booster and simply taking these two do it for me?

Thanks again... a million thanks!

[swimjake]

ok cappy, read up on things... and purchased them...

guess Im gonna pump a 20mg dose of nolva everday... sound good?
and 25mg dose of aromasin everyday... sound good?

should I go through a straight 30 pct with this stuff... or should I look for signs to tell me when?

longer than 30 days?

[cappybye]

I would run 40mg Nolva and 25mg Aromasin the first week, then drop to 20mg Nolva and 12.5mg Aromasin the second week until the end. But you can run 25mg Aromasin the second week too if you want, it's not rocket science. But don't overdose this stuff, more is not better. Run this for four weeks or until the first bottle is empty should pretty much work out okay.

Your OTC test boosters certainly won't hurt, you can continue them.

[swimjake]

how many ml are in one dropper??? from rasa research

[swimjake]

got it, they emailed me back...

ok did my first dose today... after 8 days off the cycle... lets see what this brings... thanks again

[cappybye]

Originally Posted by swimjake

how many ml are in one dropper??? from rasa research

Make sure you give it a good shake. Use a syringe, those droppers aren't very accurate. Not that big a deal the first week but an accurate dose is fairly important afterwards.

[swimjake]

dude... maybe just a little in my head, but i think this stuff has switched things for me already... feel different after two doses?? u think that could be true?

libido was up this morning, and the "boys" feel heavier and fuller...muscles feel a little fuller and harder too.. not sure if its this stuff or not...

again, have been off cycle for 10 days now...but only taking nolva and aromasin for two now...

cant thank you again for the insight... i will probably get this under controll and take a couple months off, but i will want to chat with you some more on getting things going from the start...

[cappybye]

Originally Posted by swimjake

dude... maybe just a little in my head, but i think this stuff has switched things for me already... feel different after two doses?? u think that could be true?

Yes the stuff works overnight at cutting Estrogen production, but it takes awhile for the actual circulating E levels to drop. But for example if you have slight tingling in the nips, take Nolva & Aromasin, the tingling will quite often be gone in a couple of days. It can work the other way too, say your E is high, no sensations though, you take this stuff, you might feel tingling in the nips for a couple of days too. I don't know what the mechanism is, but I have definitely felt the stuff working in my nips, I presume it's the change in hormone levels taking place. LOL we don't have all the answers, just the experiences from all the Bros put together!

Dunno about muscle hardness though, it takes several days to reduce circulating Estrogen so it's rare to see any results like that.......

[swimjake]

ok so i guess 6 days now... got the oral syringe thing going on to measure also.

have felt better and better every day since starting... boys have filled out to about normal i think...
still libido is creeping back up, nothing astounding, and when i get "involved" it takes more to get a full-on woodie going... all in all the woodie factor could greatly improve along with libido... only two and a half weeks off cycle and only one week on the nolva and aromasin.. you think things are going ok with the stuff above? think i will be alright? dont know how long to expect those things to take to recover...

also, appetite is strong, have gotten leaner being off and more vascular, nothing dramatic. which is ok... i am going for mass right now anyway..
of the 10ish or so pounds I put on, I am down maybe 2 to 2.5 pounds... so i dont feel down about the cycle really... thoughts?