Dead23's 1st cycle (begins)

**Dead23** · #1 10-22-2009, 05:37 PM

Well guys, it's nearly been 7 months, but the time has come. I pinned the other day, frontloading my test (in the ass)... and I am in agonising pain. Barely walking... The test is 20% BB so I'm assuming this is the reason. I was going to add a cc of oil (like action reccomends) but didn't have any room left in the syringe (because of the frontload)... should I heat up the oil to sterilise before cutting in and injecting?

Was talking to WW and he thinks I might have Test flu. I came down with a fever yesterday and had 0% energy. This on top of the leg pain rendered me useless for the day... Oh and I vomited nearly all the food I had consumed for the day... so the beginning so far is shit and I'm not happy so far. I wanted to train so badly yesterday.

What painkillers can I take that won't affect my gear. I took Paracetamol yesterday and am hoping that it doesn't affect anything... Would anti imflamitory like nuraphen affect anything?? Some guys might think I'm being a sook but I can't walk.... I can't even lie down in any position without extreme pain. If I cough or sneeze... It hurts like a mother fucker!!!

Should I try to work arms today... So I've at at least started??

Overall. Bad start!!

p.s taking D-bol out of conjunction with my pain killers would be wise hey?

**WetWorks** · #2 10-22-2009, 06:04 PM

no need to start the D-bol, save it for next time lol

**megaman85** · #3 10-22-2009, 06:56 PM

20% bb damn man thats a lot. i suspended 200ml of test cyp not a week ago with 5% bb. It was the smoothest test ive made yet, and looks Great. Your first injects will always hurt!! That pain will go away eventually. Now its make or break time for you though bro. Most go through what you are going through now, and throw in the white towel. You must push through and prevail. You will not regret it in the end!!! Just my 02....

**thugjitsu** · #4 10-22-2009, 07:18 PM

Congrats on starting the cycle. You will get used to it as you get further along. Be a warrior!!

**Dead23** · #5 10-22-2009, 07:21 PM

I'm not feeling too bad now. The pain in my ass has started to fade a bit. enough for me to walk and train. I have my appetite back.

Diet. 400g Protein, 92g fat (ww said at least 90g right??), 650g carbs.

2g of protein per pound of bodyweight is 272g of protein. I'm consuming 400g so I think that this should be plenty. I have added more carbs because I have read many times on here to make sure you're getting the right intake of protein and then to go nuts on whatever. I'm not going nuts on whatever. Only clean carbs. My fat is good and bad... the ratio for the above is 32%protein/52%carbs/16% fat... this comes to a total of 5000cals per day...

Will push through now that I can walk... I HOPE cutting oil in with my sustanon will make the shot better!! I really haven't coped well without my leg.

**megaman85** · #6 10-22-2009, 08:48 PM

what happened to the leg??? did you inject in the quad, or is it some type of injury??

Under-Radar · #7 10-22-2009, 09:21 PM

good luck and keep us posted; but just so you know. thats why i dont believe in froatloading...test flu and other shit.

trogdor · #8 10-22-2009, 10:07 PM

I don't know about the test flu part (didn't have that) but being a pretty recent newcomer to the game myself I can remember my very first shot very well - and it hurt like hell for about several days (and overall the pain was present for about a week). It felt like a huge painful bruise and I was limping a bit (quad shot). And that was 300 Mg/ml, 19% BB, 2.4% BA. Second shot in the same site hurt much less and the one after that was barely noticable. Oh, and btw, one thing I do is I massage the area a bit (about a minute or so) after the shot - seems to help (although I've heard conflicting opinions about massaging the site). Anyways, after the first few times shots don't hurt any more (maybe if I'd press hard on the injection area I could feel very slight discomfort but that's about it.). So, don't get discouraged bro - just give it a few more times and you should be fine.

**WetWorks** · #9 10-22-2009, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dead23

I'm not feeling too bad now. The pain in my ass has started to fade a bit. enough for me to walk and train. I have my appetite back.

Diet. 400g Protein, 92g fat (ww said at least 90g right??), 650g carbs.

2g of protein per pound of bodyweight is 272g of protein. I'm consuming 400g so I think that this should be plenty. I have added more carbs because I have read many times on here to make sure you're getting the right intake of protein and then to go nuts on whatever. I'm not going nuts on whatever. Only clean carbs. My fat is good and bad... the ratio for the above is 32%protein/52%carbs/16% fat... this comes to a total of 5000cals per day...

Will push through now that I can walk... I HOPE cutting oil in with my sustanon will make the shot better!! I really haven't coped well without my leg.

I never said 640g carbs, 300g carbs tops. protein should never be below 50% you are making a mistake IMHO

**kj1212** · #10 10-23-2009, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dead23

Diet. 400g Protein, 92g fat (ww said at least 90g right??), 650g carbs.

That's over 5,000 calories a day! That's too much for someone who only weighs 136lb. Like WW said, lower your carb intake.
Others may disagree, but since you're a hard gainer and trying to bulk, I think that you keep your protein intake as planned even though it's in excess of 2g per pound.

**Dead23** · #11 10-23-2009, 12:30 AM

No.. not saying you said that WW (about the carbs)... You said we need to have at least 90g of fat in our diet right??

The actual inject was no where as bad as what I thought. The pain had hit its climax 6 hours after. I pinned in my ass and the pain was so intense that it echoed down my entire leg... no injury

It was quite funny actually. I have given guys shit on here about being scared to pin... When I had the syringe in my hand and I had to jab it in I froze. I started getting really pissed off at myself cause I needed to get to work and here I was with the needle in my hand and I had a mentle block... I then thought about all of the planning and shit that I had done and the fact that I didn't want to leave it another day.. I then I shoved that bitch in... and it didn't even hurt... WTF...

I trained Biceps. I normally do calves with my bi's... and I tried to work them but it was too painful for my ass... it tenses when you do calves... I took the D-bol WW. I don't know wether it was just in my head, but I felt as though the D-bol gave me focus and a tad added strength/endurance... I got through the entire workout. Just got through all of the sets, so I felt like it was a good second start to the cycle.

... Should I do the last frontload pin on Mon?? Or go back to normal dosages... was going to inject (if frontloading) 2ml of gear in my ass cut with a ml of oil and then 1ml gear and 1ml oil in my quad... I've read action say that cutting with oil makes a world of difference (less pain)... is alright to just draw the grapeseed from the bottle or do I need to heat it first so it's sterile??

**Dead23** · #12 10-23-2009, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kj1212

That's over 5,000 calories a day! That's too much for someone who only weighs 136lb. Like WW said, lower your carb intake.
Others may disagree, but since you're a hard gainer and trying to bulk, I think that you keep your protein intake as planned even though it's in excess of 2g per pound.

Yeh. My protein intake is over what I need. Adding extra calories will assist in the bulking process.

... ww is just saying to up protein to 50%. I'm going to keep it how it is cause 272g of protein is all I need. I'm taking the 400g, so in the protein department I'm fine... this is all that counts. Adding extra carbs won't hurt. It's a bulker... If anyone else thinks that I should lower carbs let me know and I'll think about doing it... I just thought that when you're on a bulker as long as you're getting the protein intake right that you could go crazy and stack the calories up on whatever... (though again I'll remind you that I'm taking good fat (and some bad) and the carbs are from a healthy source.)

**Dead23** · #13 10-23-2009, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kj1212

That's over 5,000 calories a day! That's too much for someone who only weighs 136lb. Like WW said, lower your carb intake.
Others may disagree, but since you're a hard gainer and trying to bulk, I think that you keep your protein intake as planned even though it's in excess of 2g per pound.

lol... I was originally trying for 10000. I couldn't do it obviously.... So far today the size of the meals for 5000cals is something I think I can do consistantly. (I was consuming close to this before I was on cycle anyway... so 5000cal is good 4 me)

... Thanks for the support guys. It's a whole different story when you're just asking pple on here to help plan a cycle opposed to supporting and re-assureing you when you're on cycle...

**megaman85** · #14 10-23-2009, 02:53 AM

funny story about pinning for first time. i can remember my first pin like it was yesterday. i had like 10 little bleeding spots in my glute where i would go to stick, but right when the needle hit id pull it back LOL. Finally i got it though, but damn that first one always a nerve racker!

crazedhate · #15 10-23-2009, 08:35 AM

dang Dead, bout time you started your cycle

sucks you are having problems with it though. don't get discouraged.
i'm a hardgainer too and as far as diet i say eat you as much of everything as you want. if youre training your ass off and have a crazy metabolism (like me) then it shouldn't matter much. getting a little softer while bulking is typical and part of the process.
your injection pain sounded like me shooting stealth gear last cycle. WW suggested i cut it with light olive oil. so i filled up a sterile sealed vial with it, stuck a 20g pin in to vent, baked it in oven at 225F for 45 minutes, and started adding about 1cc to my shots and helped major with the injection pain.

**WetWorks** · #16 10-23-2009, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Dead23

Yeh. My protein intake is over what I need. Adding extra calories will assist in the bulking process.

... ww is just saying to up protein to 50%. I'm going to keep it how it is cause 272g of protein is all I need. I'm taking the 400g, so in the protein department I'm fine... this is all that counts. Adding extra carbs won't hurt. It's a bulker... If anyone else thinks that I should lower carbs let me know and I'll think about doing it... I just thought that when you're on a bulker as long as you're getting the protein intake right that you could go crazy and stack the calories up on whatever... (though again I'll remind you that I'm taking good fat (and some bad) and the carbs are from a healthy source.)

yes the fat is right, but I'm saying never drop your protein intake below 50%. you have it at 32% thats way to low. carbs is an energy source and any extra will turn into fat. let the AAS do there work and not get crazy with the carbs. I was at your weight the first time I did my first cycle 132 to 157 and still had a six pack. I never ate that many carbs!

**WetWorks** · #17 10-23-2009, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by crazedhate

dang Dead, bout time you started your cycle

sucks you are having problems with it though. don't get discouraged.
i'm a hardgainer too and as far as diet i say eat you as much of everything as you want. if youre training your ass off and have a crazy metabolism (like me) then it shouldn't matter much. getting a little softer while bulking is typical and part of the process.
your injection pain sounded like me shooting stealth gear last cycle. WW suggested i cut it with light olive oil. so i filled up a sterile sealed vial with it, stuck a 20g pin in to vent, baked it in oven at 225F for 45 minutes, and started adding about 1cc to my shots and helped major with the injection pain.

Bump Crazyhate on having some extra virgin olive oil in a vial to draw out the for diluting the Sust with.

**Gman** · #18 10-23-2009, 09:45 AM

My experience with sus has been IT HURTS LIKE CRAZY!!! I will never use it again. I don't know why because I can easily tolerate prop @ 200 but sus had me thinking I was a pussy and I could not do this. I tried like 3 injections and caned the rest switching to cyp. Dead just work thorough it and don't be afraid to switch if pain doesn't subside. Dude at 140# you can be hitting McD's all day!!! and still not get fat!!! EAT your ass off and train harder than you ever trained since this is your first cycle you will get the biggest gains probably ever so make it count. I would eat 5000 cal per day if you can go for it. (ignore the McD's shit just kidding)

**ssti** · #19 10-23-2009, 10:47 AM

like the bros have been saying. just stay on course and you will be fine. a little pain is part of the game.

**Dead23** · #20 10-23-2009, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WetWorks

yes the fat is right, but I'm saying never drop your protein intake below 50%. you have it at 32% thats way to low. carbs is an energy source and any extra will turn into fat. let the AAS do there work and not get crazy with the carbs. I was at your weight the first time I did my first cycle 132 to 157 and still had a six pack. I never ate that many carbs!

Well. WW has never led me astray and so I'm going to lower my carbs.

...To make my protein 50% I would have to lower my carbs to 150g per day or 600cals. It would look like this

Protein: 1584cal/396g= 53%
Carbs: 600cal/150g= 20%
Fat: 820cal/91g= 27%

Total: 3004cal

What I'm thinking I may do just because I can eat more than this is to bump up the carbs to your 300g limit ww to give a total of around 3600. Then after this I can just eat more of whatever... this would lower protein percentage to 44%, carbs 33%, fat 23%.

... do you thing I should up my fat. I was adding oil to my meals but it was making me feel ill.

**Dead23** · #21 12-07-2009, 06:03 PM

Well, I'm half way through and 30lb's heavier... The heaviest and strongest I've ever been. My traps and shoulders have exploded in growth. everything has grown. All of my clothes are quite tight now.

Am aiming and would love to put on another 22lb's before the end of the cycle... This should mean that what ever I lose I should still be able to keep 30lbs of my gains... which is what I'm hoping for....

.. is there anyone that has any inspiring words for my so that I can flog the shit out of this latter half.

p.s haven't been on as much lately cause I've made a deal at the place I'm staying at that if I keep the whole place spotless that I won't have to pay rent. I'm starting to wonder wether it's worth it.... so after work, training cleaning and eating I'm absolutely fucked and go straight off to bed to that I have the energy to train the next day.

Replicator · #22 12-07-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dead23

Well, I'm half way through and 30lb's heavier... The heaviest and strongest I've ever been. My traps and shoulders have exploded in growth. everything has grown. All of my clothes are quite tight now.

Am aiming and would love to put on another 22lb's before the end of the cycle... This should mean that what ever I lose I should still be able to keep 30lbs of my gains... which is what I'm hoping for....

.. is there anyone that has any inspiring words for my so that I can flog the shit out of this latter half.

p.s haven't been on as much lately cause I've made a deal at the place I'm staying at that if I keep the whole place spotless that I won't have to pay rent. I'm starting to wonder wether it's worth it.... so after work, training cleaning and eating I'm absolutely fucked and go straight off to bed to that I have the energy to train the next day.

"FIght one more round. When your feet are so tired that you have to shuffle back to the center of the ring, fight one more round. When your arms are so tired that you can hardly lift your hands to come on guard, fight one more round. When your nose is bleeding and your eyes are black and you are so tired you wish your opponent would crack you one in the jaw and put you to sleep, fight one more round - remembering that the man who always fights one more round is never whipped."

**yohimbe** · #23 12-08-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dead23

Well, I'm half way through and 30lb's heavier... The heaviest and strongest I've ever been. My traps and shoulders have exploded in growth. everything has grown. All of my clothes are quite tight now.

Am aiming and would love to put on another 22lb's before the end of the cycle... This should mean that what ever I lose I should still be able to keep 30lbs of my gains... which is what I'm hoping for....

.. is there anyone that has any inspiring words for my so that I can flog the shit out of this latter half.

p.s haven't been on as much lately cause I've made a deal at the place I'm staying at that if I keep the whole place spotless that I won't have to pay rent. I'm starting to wonder wether it's worth it.... so after work, training cleaning and eating I'm absolutely fucked and go straight off to bed to that I have the energy to train the next day.

Watch the weight-you can't put on 50 lbs without a lot of fat which you'll struggle to lose later. Don't focus on the scale, look at the mirror as well.

**masswithclass** · #24 12-08-2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by yohimbe

Watch the weight-you can't put on 50 lbs without a lot of fat which you'll struggle to lose later. Don't focus on the scale, look at the mirror as well.

Thanks Yoh. I didn't want to be the first one to break it to him. Think how crazy huge we would all be if we could put on 20-30lbs of lean mass per cycle, let alone per year. IMHO, be realistic in your goals, huge is good, but big and lean is more respectable, stay away from the scale and watch the mirror for your results.

**Gman** · #25 12-08-2009, 01:21 PM

Bump Mass and Yo, dead you can gain 50# in one cyc but do you really want it all to be fat? Go for a solid 15-20# gain.

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