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11-26-2011, 12:14 PM
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My killer first cycle update
Well bros this is my first cycle and I am 2 days into my third week already (started on a thurs.). I figured I would let you know how it's going. The truth is, it's awesome! No... better than awesome. My workouts are monstrous and even if I'm tired I have a better workout than on a good day of not juicing. My guess is most of this is from the dbol. I am taking BD dbol 50mgs/ day and 500mgs test E/week. So I can't wait till the test kicks in.
I commented in another post some of my sides but here they are again. The first things I noticed after a couple days were the flushed red skin from the dbol. The high blood pressure which seems to not be as intense the more I get used to it and my anger is edgy. I always feel pumped, especially during a workout and upon waking up. I stopped taking the dbol past 5pm and always taking 25mgs before my workout. Since this is my first cycle, it was also my first time pinning. At first I was a little nervous but that went away real quick when I realized it's easy as shit. Virtually no pain at all. So far I've pinned my glutes, quads, and delts and have been super clean. I already see a increase in size and strength and can only imagine how much better it will get. Too bad I'm gonna lose some of it. I didn't see any signs of gyno till today. Well... I can't actually see it. But my nipples are getting hard and feel different. They aren't itching, they just hurt a tiny bit. I was wondering if you guys think I should dig into my nolva already. I figured I would check with you all first. Too soon? Or should I wait a few days. The reason I'm asking is because I know some estrogen is good for strength. Again, I don't think it's much but I know the signs are happening. Thoughts would be appreciated. Oh yeah, lately I've been bouncing around on other forums checking things out and this is by FARRRRRRR the best with the best bunch of guys.....and girls. Definitely the most info  Thanks to all in the SW gang!
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11-26-2011, 12:30 PM
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I gotta agree with you on SW having the best group of people Ive found. On the nip issue are you running an AI? When I started noticing some nipple sensitivity I first upped my anastrozole from .5 to 1mg EOD. I saw no real difference so dropped back to the.5mg and added nolvadex at 20mg ED. Within a week my nipples were back to normal. Ive continued running it at that dose with no ill effects. Im glad your enjoying this and hope it just keeps getting better.
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11-26-2011, 12:56 PM
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11-26-2011, 02:12 PM
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11-26-2011, 02:20 PM
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11-26-2011, 03:20 PM
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11-26-2011, 03:43 PM
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keep up the good work bro. i would not take nolva unless you need it during cycle.
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11-26-2011, 04:10 PM
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11-26-2011, 06:47 PM
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good work.
nipple sensitivity is a sign of gyno starting. if you have discharge when squeezing them then you def got you some gyno. if you have any hard lumps in nips then you def got you some gyno. at your low doses it's hard to believe you are having gyno issues but some ppl are more sensitive than others. and if in fact it is gyno that means when you up doses of gear it will only get worse and you will have to run an AI all the time while on cycle. i didn't get me any gyno issues until i went up to 1500+mgs of test a week and now i have to run aromasin everyday and sometimes i still got me some problems with it. if you have discharge you will need caber to get rid of it. if you have you some hard lumps then you already have gyno and will need to run letro most likely to get rid of it then switch to a lower dose estrogen blocker like aromasin or adex, nolva and clomid are weak as hell.
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11-26-2011, 07:40 PM
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Your test is kicked in. Will take approximately one more week to level out. If your nips are itchy and puffy, you have early gyno.
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11-26-2011, 10:53 PM
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11-27-2011, 11:52 AM
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Alright guys, I've been reading a lot and to be honest I starting to get a little bit freaked out. At first my assumption was that I wasn't gyno prone and now I coming to discover I am. According to some of you guys this is early gyno. I don't have discharge but I do feel little pea like lumps behind my nips though and today they are pretty tingly and pointy/hard. I know it's the beginnings of gyno so there is no more convincing me.
Anyway, It's only been 2 1/2 weeks so I'm trying to figure out if it's the 50mgs of dbol or if the 500mgs of test E is kicking in. Either way, I have a shit load of nolva and last night I popped 40mgs. So I'm going to keep it to 40 until further notice. However, now I hear that nolva is not enough. So last night I put an express mail order in for some letro fromChemOne Research(have any of you tried these guys before?) I read other posts that they were legit. The problem is that it's the weekend and they probably won't send it out till tomorrow. I know express mail is pretty fast. So I would expect it probably no later than Wednesday (I hope). I also got some adex from another source coming but the letro will be here sooner. Have any of you guys been through this? When I first got my shit I was told that nolva would be enough for signs of gyno during cycle so I loaded up on it. Now I got guys telling me that it's weak as hell. Daaaaaaamn! LOL. So what do you guys think. I figured if wednesday comes around and I haven't gotten my letro in, I would just go to docs and humble myself finally. I'd rather not though cause I know so many people in my community. Do you think I can stretch it with just nolva til then? I need your support bros. Should I be shitting my pants? Advise would be appreciated. Thanks! P.S. Does anyone know how to take liquid letro properly at 2.5 mg/ml? Last edited by Muscledogma; 11-27-2011 at 06:32 PM.
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11-27-2011, 12:15 PM
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11-27-2011, 06:08 PM
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11-27-2011, 07:57 PM
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No shit dude, I feel the same way...
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11-28-2011, 08:33 AM
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here we go AGAIN.
this here is info from this board... "“Nolvadex will only prevent further gyno, it will not reverse it... If you have discharge it is obviously prolactin issues from Tren or Deca. Dostinex or Bromo is used to prevent progesterone-prolactin sides. At this point you already have the gyno and from what I read the only way to get rid of it is with Letrozole. I have a good piece I will post latter about gyno and how to get rid of it using Letro. I am posting this thread to help answer all of the questions regarding gyno prevention and reversal, the use of letrozole and other anti-e’s. I will go over everything in very simple easy to understand language. Also we are talking about estrogen gyno here, not progesterone (but using letro will stop progesterone related problems as well since it inhibits all estrogen anyways). Progesterone gyno will be enlargement of your nipple area, the actual aereola, not a lump under it. Let me make this first point very clear, as I state in my signature this is from my personal experience, so whether you agree with it or not is your own issue. I have helped many people with gyno and it has worked just fine for them as well. To first understand why you are doing what you are doing I am going to go over a few things and a few definitions: SERM – Selective estrogen receptor modulator. These drugs work by binding to the estrogen receptors and flooding them in a sense, making it difficult (but not impossible by any means) for estrogen to bind to the receptors and thus prevent the onset of estrogen related side effects. Most common forms: Tamoxifen (Nolvadex), Clomiphene (Clomid) AI – Aromatise Inhibitor. These drugs work by inhibiting the aromatization of estrogen. This means that in effect AI’s prevent androgens from converting to estrogen, again, making it difficult (but not impossible) for estrogen to reach receptor sites. Most common forms: Anastrozole (l-dex, a-dex), Exemestane (aromasin), Femera (letrozole). For our purpose of reversing gyno we are interested in Letro. Letro and your sex drive: Letrozole will suppress your sex drive. This is another reason why it is so important to act on preventing gyno as soon as possible. Since we all know that Test should be run in every cycle this will cancel out the effect of sex drive suppression. Running letro to prevent gyno: If you decide to run estrogen protection while on cycle (and I suggest you do unless you are aware that you do not require it), you can run either a SERM or an AI. Letro will be the most powerful AI you can use, it will inhibit 98+% of estrogen using a dose as low as .25mg and even lower. This is why I suggest you do not use a dose higher than .50mg while on cycle just trying to prevent estrogen related side effects. You will want to start running the letro approximately 2 weeks before you begin your cycle to allow it to fully stabilize in your blood. I have often heard the argument that letro takes up to 60 days to stabilize, I don’t know if I buy into this for the reason that I have reversed gyno after using letro for only 1 week. Still to be safe I recommend starting it before your cycle as stated above. If you do decide to run letro there is absolutely no need to run another AI or SERM. Do not make the mistake of thinking more is better. Think of it this way; if letro is preventing the conversion of androgens to estrogen than there is no estrogen, what would the purpose of a SERM be when there is no estrogen to bind to the receptors? Nolva will only take away from the effectiveness of letro. This brings me to my next point. Do not listen to anyone who tells you to bump up your nolvadex to 60+mg ED if you get gyno. I have no idea where this idea started but I have seen it suggest far too many times recently. Nolvadex will do nothing to reverse your gyno…let me make that clear IT WILL DO NOTHING FOR GYNO. If you are running nolva as your anti-e and start to develop gyno than sure you can bump the dosage a small amount to try to prevent it from progressing further, but letrozole must begin ASAP. It is very important that you begin taking letrozole immediately, the longer your wait the more risk you take in not being able to reverse it. How do I know if I have gyno? If you have developed gyno you will have a lump behind your nipple. It will be fairly hard, and it will be tender to touch. Running letro to reverse gyno:I am going to go over the three different scenarios which people could fit into. Remember regardless of what scenario you are in it is important that you begin taking the letro ASAP. 1. Already using an anti-e aside from letro. 2. Already using letro @ a dose of .25mg or .50mg ED. 3. Not running any estrogen protection. 1. Day 1: .25mg Letro + anti-e* Day 2: .50mg Letro Day 3: 1.0mg Letro Day 4: 1.5mg Letro Day 5: 2.0mg Letro Day 6: 2.5mg Letro ** 2. Day 1: .50mg Letro Day 2: 1.0mg Letro Day 3: 1.5mg Letro Day 4: 2.0mg Letro Day 5: 2.5mg Letro ** 3. Day 1: .50mg Letro Day 2: 1.0mg Letro Day 3: 1.5mg Letro Day 4: 2.0mg Letro Day 5: 2.5mg Letro ** *Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already prevalent. ** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion. Day 1: 2.0mg Day 2: 1.5mg Day 3: 1.0mg Day 4: .50mg*** Day 5: .25mg ***You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-e while on cycle. Personally I have stayed with .25mg and never had a problem. Letro and the estrogen rebound: With your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone:estrogen balance. We can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another AI or SERM. So, I suggest that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolva in your PCT so just make sure that you begin taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro and then continue on as you would with regular PCT. This now leads us into the question of reversing gyno while not on cycle. There are a few things to remember here. You have already waited longer than you should have, and your sex drive will be shot. You can use tribulus or another natural test booster to help you in this scenario but I can’t guarantee the effectiveness. Just follow gyno reversal protocols 2 or 3. When coming off again you must taper and begin using nolvadex to prevent any rebound effect that may occur. How much nolvadex should you use if you are not going into PCT and running this off cycle? I suggest starting at 20mg ED for a week and then lowering it to 10mg for another week and then coming off completely." only 2.5 weeks in the test e hasn't kicked in yet so it's the dbol. stop the dbol and run the letro when you get it. once gyno subsides you can try running the dbol again but run adex or aromasin with it.
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11-28-2011, 12:01 PM
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11-28-2011, 12:05 PM
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I don't think we cannot rule out the test. test starts working immediately once it leaves depot. He's 3 weeks in that means he's at around 90% of his peak test levels in the cycle. It's effectively "kicked in". If OP is susceptible to test sides, he certainly can get the sides before reaching peak levels.
I don't like the term kicked in because there isn't a kicking in for test. There is a build up to peak levels which takes about 3 to 4 weeks but you are gaining benefits of test even in the first week since it is releasing hormone from depot immediately even before you remove the needle. It's the estor that slows the release into the bloodstream. Once in the blood stream the estor is cleaved immediately and the test is active. Frontloading effectively removes the build up window and gives you the extra 3 weeks of peak levels.
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11-29-2011, 08:12 AM
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11-29-2011, 09:24 AM
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12-20-2011, 10:06 AM
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Alright fellas, I just completed six weeks of my cycle and things are going pretty good. Lots of people are telling me I look different. Bigger that is.
I must admit it's hard not to inflate a little when that happens. But it feels Damn good. Bench press has gone up about 25-30 pounds. I've never been one to max out because I train for hypertrophy but I know I'm lifting more than I ever have. Anyway I'm really starting to feel the effects of the test kicked in. Even being on the letro, I'm still getting some crazy pumps in the gym and strength is through the roof. So far I've gotten all the sides expected. And yes... my balls have shrunk. It's kinda scary really. So I really hope hcg works like you guys say it does. BTW, all my gear is BD and QV and even though this is my first cycle with nothing to compare it to, I've gotten all the sides, the pumps, the gains, and the horrendous gyno thus far so there is no way that IP's gear doesn't work in my book. For me anyway. I've decided to stretch my cycle to 12 weeks instead of 10. Anyone see a problem with this? I mean, it's only 500mgs test E/wk. Will it hurt anything? Overall, with the exception of the gyno attack I'm very pleased. I'll continue to keep you guys posted.
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12-20-2011, 10:48 AM
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12 weeks no prob, keep it rollin
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