Let me introduce myself...

[2chase3]

I am a new member (been here a day or so and have found a world of knowledge here, which is quite overwhelming for the novice.

Being on other so called "Boards",(You know the ones where they all praise the same source yet they all have 3 posts each?? lol) Its refreshing to find a place where there is actually active members and I am excited to make some new friends!

Ok my scoop..

I am 35 yrs old, no prior medical condition/no allergic reactions, consider myself in fairly good shape, I have been athletic training off and on most of my adult life. I am 6'1 around 219 to 227 which fluctuates. Not sure of what my body fat % is.

For some times it seems I can never reach that specific target, I get great pumps, (usually to muscle failure) yet the days of the day after soreness can never be reached. Seems I have plateaued.

I have decided on running a cycle, which I have never done a correct cycle before, I dabbled back in highschool with the vial of deca pushing half a cc eod.lol but nothing correctly.

My goals are to drop around 10-12lbs of body fat, while adding as much quality muscle I can during this cycle (I just want to feel growth again over just a work out pump).

My diet at the moment is horrible due to work schedule, Which I will be cleaning up. but commitment has never been a issue when it comes to dieting.

I have found palumbo( or something like that) which seems to be popular here.

Now my question, I have narrowed it down to 2 cycles, I would like to run Sus 250 and add winny to it in some form. or A cycle of Tren adding winny to it (simple stack) I know many here say stay away from Tren for the first cycle, yet I figured that was just the guys afraid to get their feet wet with it.

Im leaning toward the tren, yet would like to here others thoughts, along with how I could mix that up with the winny would be great. Also I would like to started quickly as possible, I have narrowed it down to Bear and asia again others opinion would greatly help.

Sorry for the long letter just wanted to be thorough of my situation.

Thanks

-Chase

[davidbl769]

welcome bro, first cycle i would run 500 mg sust wk. winny is pretty much worthless unless your bf is around 8-9 %

[admin]

Welcome tot he forum buddy, nice intro.
A test base would be ideal, and prop is most common in cutting cycles.

[2chase3]

Admin I have heard that before about Test-p. actually told by a buddy a few years back the same advice, either Test-p or test susp. Put it in the back of my head and started doing research only to find on the internet the praises of sus and Tren.

So you feel Test-p would be the way to go? As I am trying to add size with a side benefit of trimming from muscle gain, what could I add for a vascular pop? not that I want veins in my stomach or anything, just a bit more rough cut look.

[davidbl769]

my fault bro, i missed the part about dropping weight. i'd go with admin. prop and maybe add some var.

[2chase3]

Would definately like to hear some feedback because it almost seems Im at a split decision with this.

Goals: Gain Quality mass, which can convert definable thru diet and exercise,What I am definately trying to avoid is size bloat.

Now for my second question.(Sorry just feels good to be around like minded people)!!

The idea is to head to the orient seeing the bear is in hibernation at the moment.

*If I have broke any rules with my last comment I apologize and please remove*

[jazz1969]

welcome dude

[powerman]

Welcome bro Bear will be back soon

[WetWorks]

weeks 1-8 Test Prop 200 mg eod
weeks 1-8 Mast 150 mg eod
weeks 1-8 Tren Ace 150 mg eod

PCT
weeks 9-11 Nolv and Aromisan , you'll need to research PCT .

[basiclute009]

wet wrote it all down for you but i doubt that winny is worthless.... well anyways i would drop the mast IMO and runn winny orals. There cheap and they would work great with the other 2 other compound ran with it. Running winny alone or just with test maybe not the best of ideas but running it with 2 more great compounds can bennefit your goals your wanting. 50-60mg ed for 5-6 weeks

[kj1212]

Originally Posted by WetWorks

weeks 1-8 Test Prop 200 mg eod
weeks 1-8 Mast 150 mg eod
weeks 1-8 Tren Ace 150 mg eod

This could be a great cycle, I may even use it for my next! However, since this is your first cycle I think the dosages are too much. The compounds WetWorks suggested are great for your goals, if you can afford it you may consider switching the Mast to Var. For what it's worth, here are my thoughts.
1-12 Prop 100mg EOD
1-12 Mast 100mg EOD
4-12 Tren 100mg EOD

[b-real]

You will get exactly what you want by running test prop alone at 100mg/eod. This is your first cycle so just using test will blow your mind.

[davidbl769]

Originally Posted by b-real

You will get exactly what you want by running test prop alone at 100mg/eod. This is your first cycle so just using test will blow your mind.

amen b, alot of newbies think they need to add alot of diff gear first time. wrong, test only!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[zidane9979]

Glad to add you to the crew my friend... welcome

[2chase3]

Thanks for all the advice guys, Just now placed a order with the "China man"

I decided on the Test-prop 200mg eod adding var to cycle, (which reminds me to ask at what dosages?)

I placed order which covers half Test-p(all Var) and all Pct, been burnt so many times got to work my trust back up.

But anyway will keep everyone informed.

Thanks again for the help guys,

-Chase

[Action]

Welcome. The words have been taken out my mouth. Excellent advice from all.

[freakofnature]

Welcome brother. Goodluck

[Replicator]

Welcome to the show

[kj1212]

Originally Posted by 2chase3

I decided on the Test-prop 200mg eod adding var to cycle, (which reminds me to ask at what dosages?)
-Chase

Var dosages are weight dependant to a certain degree. Since you are about 220, the minimum you should take is 50mg ED. The upper bound is around 100mg ED due to diminishing returns. So anything between 50mg and 100mg ED would be proper. If you can afford it, take about 80-100. You will love var. The vascularity gains are unreal!

[2chase3]

I am definitely looking for vascularity gains. I did order 100 tabs yet they are a mere 10mg that would equal about 6-10 a day?? Is this correct? being a short duration at where in the cycle can this be added,or will I need more? and will dosages have to be tapered?

Thank everyone for the warm welcome!

[2chase3]

lol, i will definitely need more!!lol

[basiclute009]

Originally Posted by davidbl769

amen b, alot of newbies think they need to add alot of diff gear first time. wrong, test only!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

depending on the newbies stats and goals is more reasonable. 500mg test and 40mg Dbol doesnt make you the hulk. yeah its a REASONABLE cycle for someone with stats of 140-190 max. but any more weight above that you could add more than 1 or 2 compounds to your cycle easily besides the oral such as dbol.. if not for a first timer 750mg test should be a great starter cycle, and i think if the person is over 190 you should bump your test from 500-750mg ew IMO...

[basiclute009]

best of luck bro.

[davidbl769]

Originally Posted by basiclute009

depending on the newbies stats and goals is more reasonable. 500mg test and 40mg Dbol doesnt make you the hulk. yeah its a REASONABLE cycle for someone with stats of 140-190 max. but any more weight above that you could add more than 1 or 2 compounds to your cycle easily besides the oral such as dbol.. if not for a first timer 750mg test should be a great starter cycle, and i think if the person is over 190 you should bump your test from 500-750mg ew IMO...

and i agree with that also basic! just alot of newbies don't read about anything. they just take what they want to here sounds good, but if they don't do proper pct they waste time and money! plus all the work that goes with it. i think people think they shoot gear and thats it. i used to be there along time ago. doing a cycle and getting results is great, but if everything else is'nt done right, you shrink and get depressed as hell.

[ampenergy]

welcome