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[pftrainer]

Hey im new to sw and wanted to inderdose my self

stats
Height: 5' 7"
Weight: 216
BF%: 18
Training exp: 8 years 2 1/2 years as a personal trainer
steroid exp:NONE

im looking to start my first cycle in a month or so. I'm looking for some adviese on whats a good cycle for a beginer my main goal is to cut body fat while keeping the muscle mass i have or evan gaining lean body mass without the fat gain. My diet and training are in check

DIET
Meal#1
6 egg whites
2 whole eggs
1/4 cup almonds

Meal#2
6oz round eye steak
100 gram cucumber
100 gram broccoli

Meal#3
5oz chicken breast
2/3 cup kidney bean
120 gram zucchini
100 gram broccoli

Meal#4
6oz chicken brest
120 gram cauliflower
50 gram broccoli

post workout 100% whey protein mixed with water and whole apple

Meal#5
8 egg whites
50 grams swiss chard
120 grams asparagus
2 tablespoons virgin macadamia oil

Meal#6
5 oz fresh wild salmon
120 grams broccoli
3oz avocado

before bed
casein protein with milk

workout 5 days on 2 off for recovery

cycle i was looking to run and would like some advise on if its good or what would be better

Winstrol 50 mg every other day injected run 6 weeks
primo 200 mg a week run 8 weeks
clen 3 tabs a day 2 weeks on 2 weeks of run 6 weeks and would anyone recommend running t3 with the clen or just the clen alone.

also what would be a good PCT
Thanks

[neoconjerk]

Welcome to SW.

A good starter cycle is test only at 500mg a week. One option is to use test enanthate or cypionate. The longer-acting ester allows for once or twice weekly dosing. The downside is the esters clear your system more slowly. I prefer shorter cycles (6 weeks) using test propionate. The downside to using test prop is it requires more frequent dosing, like every two or three days at most. Also, some brands of test prop are known for being kinda painful to inject. The benefit of the shorter cycle with test prop is you can begin PCT shortly after your last shot, and recovery from short cycles is generally much easier. My most recent PCT (after a 4 week cycle of test prop and masteron) was 20mg aromasin and 25mg nolva for the first two weeks, and 25mg nolva for week three. Recovery was a breeze. About clen, be aware that the side effects can be a pain in the ass for some people. It made my heart beat so damn hard it kept me awake at night, and I would get funky cramps from it. One time after a set of pec flys my abs cramped up and I thought I was going to fold in half. On two occassions I got this weird cramp in my taint for no apparent reason. Bottom line - if you use clen, ramp up slowly, drink a lot of water, and make sure your nutrition is in line (which it sounds like yours is). T3 works well with clen, at least it did for me. I used it on my most recent cycle and managed to put on lean weight while losing fat around my midsection.

[chiselmeat]

welcome friend. Bump ^^^^. Do your clen in the morning and dose up slowly to avoid the shakes and the problem of keeping you awake. Take a tab first thing in the morning and again at around ten am. T3 is great, the combination will shed fat quickly.

Be sure and post your stats in your profile so that we can see them with each post.. this is important to help people when give advice in the future.

[powerman]

welcome to SW

[masswithclass]

Welcome

[rottie]

Welcome PFtrainer

[drob29]

Originally Posted by pftrainer

Hey im new to sw and wanted to inderdose my self

stats
Height: 5' 7"
Weight: 216
BF%: 18
Training exp: 8 years 2 1/2 years as a personal trainer
steroid exp:NONE

im looking to start my first cycle in a month or so. I'm looking for some adviese on whats a good cycle for a beginer my main goal is to cut body fat while keeping the muscle mass i have or evan gaining lean body mass without the fat gain. My diet and training are in check

DIET
Meal#1
6 egg whites
2 whole eggs
1/4 cup almonds

Meal#2
6oz round eye steak
100 gram cucumber
100 gram broccoli

Meal#3
5oz chicken breast
2/3 cup kidney bean
120 gram zucchini
100 gram broccoli

Meal#4
6oz chicken brest
120 gram cauliflower
50 gram broccoli

post workout 100% whey protein mixed with water and whole apple

Meal#5
8 egg whites
50 grams swiss chard
120 grams asparagus
2 tablespoons virgin macadamia oil

Meal#6
5 oz fresh wild salmon
120 grams broccoli
3oz avocado

before bed
casein protein with milk

workout 5 days on 2 off for recovery

cycle i was looking to run and would like some advise on if its good or what would be better

Winstrol 50 mg every other day injected run 6 weeks
primo 200 mg a week run 8 weeks
clen 3 tabs a day 2 weeks on 2 weeks of run 6 weeks and would anyone recommend running t3 with the clen or just the clen alone.

also what would be a good PCT
Thanks

What are your goals? Like "I want to be xxx lbs at xx bf 6 weeks post cycle". Also, at 18% you may want to consider dropping bodyfat before you cycle, you will get better gains and experience less sides.

Bump test only for your first cycle.

[powertop20]

welcome man. lots of good guys here to help you out. and i agree with dro. first cycle should always be like 500mg test per week. you could throw winny in there if you want to.. but again what are your goals? also imo ur first cycle should be a bulker not a cutter.

[Pack11]

I agree with everything said here... a couple things I can point out from experience. Steroids in general make me feel awesome, clen and t3 make me feel like complete shit. So careful with that. To me taking clen and t3 is not worth the sides, they don't help 'thhhat' much. While t3 and clen aren't steroids, they are actually more dangerous than most steroids.

Good luck bro and welcome.

Also don't run three steroids in your first cycle your body wont know what the fuck is going on. 500 mg of test c or e a week will get you some awesome results. Run anavar, winni, or dbol for the first four weeks while you wait for the test to kick in if you want

[pftrainer]

Thanks gents for the advise

@drob29 my goal is to be at 230 at 6% bf.

[Replicator]

Welocme m8
as above first cycle 500mg test PW is best

[mands]

Welcome man!

mands

[drob29]

Originally Posted by pftrainer

Hey im new to sw and wanted to inderdose my self

stats
Height: 5' 7"
Weight: 216
BF%: 18.....

Originally Posted by pftrainer

Thanks gents for the advise

@drob29 my goal is to be at 230 at 6% bf.

So just to put that in perspecive for you, your currently at 177 lbs of LBM (lean body mass) and 53 lbs of fat. Your goal of 230 at 6% translates to 216 lbs of LBM and 14 lbs of fat.

So your goal is to drop 39 lbs of fat and add (conincedentally) 39 lbs of muscle. Your goal is achievable with long term dedication, proper diet and training first and AAS second.

IMO your first goal would be to cut down to the 10-12% range thru diet and cardio FIRST before you jump on the AAS bus.

Hope this helps

[noobtogear56]

WELCOME!!!

here is a good article on PCT that I have found:

Anthony Roberts PCT

[pftrainer]

Originally Posted by noobtogear56

WELCOME!!!

here is a good article on PCT that I have found:

Anthony Roberts PCT

Thanks bro alot of good info on pct

[pftrainer]

Originally Posted by drob29

So just to put that in perspecive for you, your currently at 177 lbs of LBM (lean body mass) and 53 lbs of fat. Your goal of 230 at 6% translates to 216 lbs of LBM and 14 lbs of fat.

So your goal is to drop 39 lbs of fat and add (conincedentally) 39 lbs of muscle. Your goal is achievable with long term dedication, proper diet and training first and AAS second.

IMO your first goal would be to cut down to the 10-12% range thru diet and cardio FIRST before you jump on the AAS bus.

Hope this helps

thanks for the advise i wasnt sure what a good bf% would be befor starting a cycle