Homebrew gone bad

[biggerbird]

Hey guys, I think I may have a problem. Tried brewing some Deca and ended up with the following (see attached pics). Anyone have any clue what would cause this??

I used the following recipe:

5 grams powder
18.75ml sesame oil
1.25ml BA 5%
1.25ml BB 5%

I also brewed test prop and mast and they look fine. The only difference in the recipe is they use 2.5ml of BA and 7.5ml of BB with 36ml of oil. Appreciate any advice that can be offered!!

[krackajackfoo]

that's some scary looking shit!

[jazz1969]

Originally Posted by biggerbird

Hey guys, I think I may have a problem. Tried brewing some Deca and ended up with the following (see attached pics). Anyone have any clue what would cause this??

I used the following recipe:

5 grams powder
18.75ml sesame oil
1.25ml BA 5%
1.25ml BB 5%

I also brewed test prop and mast and they look fine. The only difference in the recipe is they use 2.5ml of BA and 7.5ml of BB with 36ml of oil. Appreciate any advice that can be offered!!

your gear crashed you tried to suspend to much hormone in to little oil,, did you use the powder calculator ?? go to the home brew sticky i never saw ba and bb the same either

[ssti]

looking at your ratio what strength per mg were you tring to make and what recipe did you use. Like jazz said the powder calculator is the way to go.

Assuming those are 10cc vials it could look something like this for a 200mg/ml batch of deca.

14.00 cc oil
4.00 grams powder
1cc 5% BA
2cc 10% BB

tight fit but it will work. What ever you calculated you should be able to recalculate adjust and recook.....i think, I would, at least its worth a try

[WetWorks]

Bump the guys above you should be able to save .

[b-real]

You need to use the powder calculator and adjust the ba, bb, and oil at this point. You will end up with more brew and a lower mg/ml but you can save the gear at least. Like others said the ba and bb is never anywhere close in most solutions.

[WetWorks]

I just looked at my formula and its the same BA and BB as yours , I don't know why yours didn't turn out . unless you just added to much powder .

[Replicator]

Originally Posted by WetWorks

I just looked at my formula and its the same BA and BB as yours , I don't know why yours didn't turn out . unless you just added to much powder .

I think I will stick to cookies LOL

[davidbl769]

put it back in oven on 275 for twenty minutes. repeat 2 times, it should be fine. let us know.

[webster]

Yea, that is weird. I think your BB might have been too low. BB helps suspend the hormone. I have started splitting my oil up 80/20, grape seed oil and EO. Seems to make it smoother. But like David said, heating should dissolve the powder again. If it keeps crashing, add some EO to it.

[Under-Radar]

Rule of thumb is 2% ba and 15-20%bb. You added to little of these and if you had done the equation right you would have needed more oil as well.

[Eureka]

Originally Posted by Under-Radar

Rule of thumb is 2% ba and 15-20%bb. You added to little of these and if you had done the equation right you would have needed more oil as well.

Bump this. I did 3%ba and 10%bb for my 200mg Deca and it looks great. Next time try some Grapseed oil instead of sesame. I like the color & better nutrient. Then bake 2-3 days later..

[biggerbird]

Hey guys, thanks for all the replies. I figured I'd have to start with a new batch, using same ratios I did with the Mast and Test. But will try baking and rebaking at 275 to see what happens! Also, the recipe I used came from an earlier post dated 12/21/08. Sounds like this recipe may need to be updated or I just need to be more precise.

FYI, the recipe I used came from the following post:


#1 12-21-2008, 02:14 PM Under-Radar

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Oil based:
1.Test Propionate
2.Test Enanthate
3.Test Cypionate
4.EQ(Boldenone)
5.Deca Durabolin
6.Trenbolone

5. Deca Durabolin for 5 grams conversion
5 grams powder
18.75ml sesame oil
1.25ml BA 5%
1.25ml BB 5%
Syringes
Vial
Sterile Vial
Whatman sterile filter

1. Weigh out 5 grams of powder.
2. Place powder in vial.
3. Add BA & BB to the vial.
4. Heat oil in the oven to help sterilize it, heat to at least 212 degrees F. I usually
heat my oil at 275 to be sure, I put the oil in a muffin pan, just fill one of the
indentions this is plenty for these experiments. Also heat more oil than you need,
as you will not be able to get it all out of the pan.
5. Add oil to the vial, save 2 ml of oil in the syringe for later. Gently shake vial.
6. Heat mixture if necessary. I like heating my powder products, by placing the vial
in a frying pan, and placing it on the eye of the stove.
7. Place a 18 or 20 gauge needle in the sterile vial attach whatman sterile filter.
8. Place another needle in the sterile vial to relieve the pressure.
9. Draw out solution with a syringe, run though whatman filter.
10. Take other syringe with 2ml oil, run through whatman into solution.

Makes 25 ml @ 200 mg/ml

[davidbl769]

Originally Posted by biggerbird

Hey guys, thanks for all the replies. I figured I'd have to start with a new batch, using same ratios I did with the Mast and Test. But will try baking and rebaking at 275 to see what happens! Also, the recipe I used came from an earlier post dated 12/21/08. Sounds like this recipe may need to be updated or I just need to be more precise.

FYI, the recipe I used came from the following post:


#1 12-21-2008, 02:14 PM Under-Radar

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Canada
Posts: 534
Height: 6"9 | Weight: 310lbs | Body fat: 14%%
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"powder conversion for injectables and caps"

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Oil based:
1.Test Propionate
2.Test Enanthate
3.Test Cypionate
4.EQ(Boldenone)
5.Deca Durabolin
6.Trenbolone

5. Deca Durabolin for 5 grams conversion
5 grams powder
18.75ml sesame oil
1.25ml BA 5%
1.25ml BB 5%
Syringes
Vial
Sterile Vial
Whatman sterile filter

1. Weigh out 5 grams of powder.
2. Place powder in vial.
3. Add BA & BB to the vial.
4. Heat oil in the oven to help sterilize it, heat to at least 212 degrees F. I usually
heat my oil at 275 to be sure, I put the oil in a muffin pan, just fill one of the
indentions this is plenty for these experiments. Also heat more oil than you need,
as you will not be able to get it all out of the pan.
5. Add oil to the vial, save 2 ml of oil in the syringe for later. Gently shake vial.
6. Heat mixture if necessary. I like heating my powder products, by placing the vial
in a frying pan, and placing it on the eye of the stove.
7. Place a 18 or 20 gauge needle in the sterile vial attach whatman sterile filter.
8. Place another needle in the sterile vial to relieve the pressure.
9. Draw out solution with a syringe, run though whatman filter.
10. Take other syringe with 2ml oil, run through whatman into solution.

Makes 25 ml @ 200 mg/ml

bro, could it be possible they sent you the wrong gear by mistake?

[WetWorks]

it has a dark look like finaplex does , I'm just guessing . if it is than use the same conversion as Test Prop . my .02

[Under-Radar]

Originally Posted by biggerbird

Hey guys, thanks for all the replies. I figured I'd have to start with a new batch, using same ratios I did with the Mast and Test. But will try baking and rebaking at 275 to see what happens! Also, the recipe I used came from an earlier post dated 12/21/08. Sounds like this recipe may need to be updated or I just need to be more precise.

FYI, the recipe I used came from the following post:


#1 12-21-2008, 02:14 PM Under-Radar

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Canada
Posts: 534
Height: 6"9 | Weight: 310lbs | Body fat: 14%%
VIP Shouts: 507

"powder conversion for injectables and caps"

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Oil based:
1.Test Propionate
2.Test Enanthate
3.Test Cypionate
4.EQ(Boldenone)
5.Deca Durabolin
6.Trenbolone

5. Deca Durabolin for 5 grams conversion
5 grams powder
18.75ml sesame oil
1.25ml BA 5%
1.25ml BB 5%
Syringes
Vial
Sterile Vial
Whatman sterile filter

1. Weigh out 5 grams of powder.
2. Place powder in vial.
3. Add BA & BB to the vial.
4. Heat oil in the oven to help sterilize it, heat to at least 212 degrees F. I usually
heat my oil at 275 to be sure, I put the oil in a muffin pan, just fill one of the
indentions this is plenty for these experiments. Also heat more oil than you need,
as you will not be able to get it all out of the pan.
5. Add oil to the vial, save 2 ml of oil in the syringe for later. Gently shake vial.
6. Heat mixture if necessary. I like heating my powder products, by placing the vial
in a frying pan, and placing it on the eye of the stove.
7. Place a 18 or 20 gauge needle in the sterile vial attach whatman sterile filter.
8. Place another needle in the sterile vial to relieve the pressure.
9. Draw out solution with a syringe, run though whatman filter.
10. Take other syringe with 2ml oil, run through whatman into solution.

Makes 25 ml @ 200 mg/ml

Goodone trying to catch me slipping. id think so brother. that is a post i put up. i personally dont use that ratio. it came from M.B site thank you sir..... you wanna do it right than you shoudl have researched more than you obviously did. their are plenty on this board and google.

[WetWorks]

M.B. ratio's are right on , so thats not the reason .

[zidane9979]

Originally Posted by biggerbird

Hey guys, I think I may have a problem. Tried brewing some Deca and ended up with the following (see attached pics). Anyone have any clue what would cause this??

I used the following recipe:

5 grams powder
18.75ml sesame oil
1.25ml BA 5%
1.25ml BB 5%

I also brewed test prop and mast and they look fine. The only difference in the recipe is they use 2.5ml of BA and 7.5ml of BB with 36ml of oil. Appreciate any advice that can be offered!!

IT LOOKS LIKE YOU MIGHT HAVE USED TOO LITTLE BB OR HOW LONG DID YOU HEAT IT UP FOR TOTAL??? iT LOOKS LIKE THE OIL IS A LITTLE COOKED ALMOST ...

[Dead23]

Originally Posted by biggerbird

Hey guys, I think I may have a problem. Tried brewing some Deca and ended up with the following (see attached pics). Anyone have any clue what would cause this??

I used the following recipe:

5 grams powder
18.75ml sesame oil
1.25ml BA 5%
1.25ml BB 5%

I also brewed test prop and mast and they look fine. The only difference in the recipe is they use 2.5ml of BA and 7.5ml of BB with 36ml of oil. Appreciate any advice that can be offered!!

For a start your BB is way too low. It should usually be 20% from what I know. Unless the BB is supposed to be different for orals... But I havent heard anyone say anything about this. Is the BA and BB supposed to be different for orals???

[WetWorks]

Dead23 his recipe was fine nothing wrong with it , you start adding that much BB when you don't need it than you end up with painful shots like Test Prop , Deca should not have any pain when shooting or after period . its only the fast acting esters that need all that BB and higher amounts of BA . if you have never brewed it isn't wise to give advice on it .

[powerman]

Originally Posted by WetWorks

Dead23 his recipe was fine nothing wrong with it , you start adding that much BB when you don't need it than you end up with painful shots like Test Prop , Deca should not have any pain when shooting or after period . its only the fast acting esters that need all that BB and higher amounts of BA . if you have never brewed it isn't wise to give advice on it .

Yes we all have to be careful with advice given.Good point WW

[Under-Radar]

Originally Posted by biggerbird

Hey guys, I think I may have a problem. Tried brewing some Deca and ended up with the following (see attached pics). Anyone have any clue what would cause this??

I used the following recipe:

5 grams powder
18.75ml sesame oil
1.25ml BA 5%
1.25ml BB 5%

I also brewed test prop and mast and they look fine. The only difference in the recipe is they use 2.5ml of BA and 7.5ml of BB with 36ml of oil. Appreciate any advice that can be offered!!

I went back to M.B site and yes the info i posted is from his site. i also took your howmebre info and went to the powder calculator. here are your results.



your resulte and calculations are spot on.... something went wrong as though your oil was cook. idk but i have never seen that.

Enter Amount Required
Oil ml's - - ie 25ml = 25
Dosage mg - - ie 200mg/ml = 200
Powder Weight - Usually .75 to .85
Ba concentration - - ie 5% = 0.05
Bb concentration - - ie 5% = 0.05

Results - Amounts Needed
Oil - - 18.75ml's
Powder - - 5.00grams
ba - - 1.25ml's
bb - - 1.25ml's

[megaman85]

On M.B. site under the powder conversions a few of the powder conversions do not use bb at all. I know there are many ways im seeing and different percentages of ba/bb used, but im not fully understanding why in some of the conversions there would not be any bb used at all. BB helps suspend the hormone and the ba sterilizes the compound, correct???

[WetWorks]

no the BA is the main one for suspending , the heat from the oven is the only way your going to sterilize . it won't suspend totally until its been cooked . the faster esters are the ones that need the BB more than any of them . if you noticed the ones that didn't was the longer esters .

[megaman85]

Ok thanks bro im just going to use M.B. recipes and hopefully all goes well.