Homebrew gone bad

[davidbl769]

Originally Posted by megaman85

Ok thanks bro im just going to use M.B. recipes and hopefully all goes well.

trust me mb recipe is good as gold!

[Under-Radar]

Originally Posted by megaman85

On M.B. site under the powder conversions a few of the powder conversions do not use bb at all. I know there are many ways im seeing and different percentages of ba/bb used, but im not fully understanding why in some of the conversions there would not be any bb used at all. I personally use BB in all my conversions... well most except my tren... BB helps suspend the hormone and the ba sterilizes the compound, correct??? Yes this is exactly true...

Originally Posted by WetWorks

no the BA is the main one for suspending , No its not who told you this...the heat from the oven is the only way your going to sterilize . Heat does not sterilize. most advance H.B dont use heat at all as it can damage ur product if done wrong... it won't suspend totally until its been cooked . the faster esters are the ones that need the BB more than any of them . if you noticed the ones that didn't was the longer esters .Its personal preference...

U.R


dO SOME MORE LOOKING AROUND AND YOU WILL SEE MY POINT.

[WetWorks]

true sterilization takes an autoclave , but heat over 190 degrees does kill most things that will hurt you . I use 225 degrees for my brewing , never higher . none of those chemicals sterilize either , might keep something from growing if the BA is 10% or higher but that makes it not worth using .

[signal22]

Biggerbird, if ya serious about cooking ya own then get a VIP membership and go to this thread - http://www.steroidworld.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=4458

Job done.

[Under-Radar]

Originally Posted by WetWorks

true sterilization takes an autoclave , but heat over 190 degrees does kill most things that will hurt you . I use 225 degrees for my brewing , never higher . none of those chemicals sterilize either , might keep something from growing if the BA is 10% or higher but that makes it not worth using .

pharmeacutical industries use 2% BA that is all you need to kill anything. heating is just something that alot of folks think started doing back in the day. its not necessarily but you are right by keeping the heat down if you feel the need and paranoia to be safe. now you go ahead and poke 10% ba in your ass. lol and see how you like the sting of a million scopians. NOT ME

[Eureka]

Guys, to be honest with you. What I think happend was he may have over cooked the oil (left it in the oven way to long) while trying to sterilize. It looks like he burned the shit out of the oil to where there is no viscosity. I have never seen oil that color unless it was burned. My 2 cents, forgive me if I'm wrong...

[jazz1969]

Originally Posted by WetWorks

no the BA is the main one for suspending , the heat from the oven is the only way your going to sterilize . it won't suspend totally until its been cooked . the faster esters are the ones that need the BB more than any of them . if you noticed the ones that didn't was the longer esters .

wait time out here !!! ba is to sterilize bb is to suspend

[admin]

This is why Action doesn't inject, strictly orals.

[Under-Radar]

Originally Posted by jazz1969

wait time out here !!! ba is to sterilize bb is to suspend

correct...........

[Dead23]

mother fu**er. When you think you know what's going on it blows up in your face. MAJOR QUESTION. how do you know how much BA and BB for each product...

Tell you what, I'm starting my cycle quite soon and before I brew anything I will confirm everything with you guys first.

Oh and guess what! The AUS dollar is higher than the canadian dollar so it will cost me less to join up for VIP.

[jazz1969]

Originally Posted by Dead23

mother fu**er. When you think you know what's going on it blows up in your face. MAJOR QUESTION. how do you know how much BA and BB for each product...

Tell you what, I'm starting my cycle quite soon and before I brew anything I will confirm everything with you guys first.

Oh and guess what! The AUS dollar is higher than the canadian dollar so it will cost me less to join up for VIP.

http://absinth.greatnow.com/calcpowder2.html
ba .03
bb .2
this is fine

[Eureka]

Originally Posted by Eureka

Guys, to be honest with you. What I think happend was he may have over cooked the oil (left it in the oven way to long) while trying to sterilize. It looks like he burned the shit out of the oil to where there is no viscosity. I have never seen oil that color unless it was burned. My 2 cents, forgive me if I'm wrong...

I mean the first part of sterilization before adding the BA, BB & Hormone. What do ya think??

[Dead23]

There was a thread a while ago talking about the Australian customs etc and on there it said that homebrewing powders are way harder to detect than vials of pre-made steroids. Well, was just wanting to ask if orals would be easy to detect.

[powerman]

Originally Posted by Dead23

There was a thread a while ago talking about the Australian customs etc and on there it said that homebrewing powders are way harder to detect than vials of pre-made steroids. Well, was just wanting to ask if orals would be easy to detect.

Bro not to much of anything makes it through Australian customs ..A few suppliers wont even try anymore..Vials are definitely not gonna make it..Your best chance is with powders only IMO..On another site there were about 10 Aussies and not one of em was able to get anything thru..However ther are more supps here so maybe one of em can make it thru..You have to email them and ask for yourself bro what there gettin thru if anything

[basiclute009]

NEW supplier??? looks good, cant wait to try our your deca bro!... oh btw yeah sorry bout the brew looks like stomach cow fat

[biggerbird]

so I recooked at 275 and repeated, gear now looks perfect! let it sit for 48 hours and no more funky growth either so should be in the clear. got lots of great info from the posts...next time i'm switching to grapeseed oil, will double check measurements to ensure precision and use less potent formula.

to answer some of the other questions, i did check the gear sent with my supplier who is a golden oldie here. everything was in order.

i couldn't have cooked it too long because i only heated the sesame seed oil up. I hadn't baked it yet before those growths appeared.

in hindsight, i believe the main culprit was having a little too much powder. with those low levels of oil, ba and bb, doesn't leave much room for error. next time i'll lower the potency and use the formula allowing for more oil etc.

thanks again everyone!!

[b-real]

Originally Posted by biggerbird

so I recooked at 275 and repeated, gear now looks perfect! let it sit for 48 hours and no more funky growth either so should be in the clear. got lots of great info from the posts...next time i'm switching to grapeseed oil, will double check measurements to ensure precision and use less potent formula.

to answer some of the other questions, i did check the gear sent with my supplier who is a golden oldie here. everything was in order.

i couldn't have cooked it too long because i only heated the sesame seed oil up. I hadn't baked it yet before those growths appeared.

in hindsight, i believe the main culprit was having a little too much powder. with those low levels of oil, ba and bb, doesn't leave much room for error. next time i'll lower the potency and use the formula allowing for more oil etc.

thanks again everyone!!

Lucky you! That shit looked hideous lol. Can you imagine that seaping out of the injection site

[b-real]

Originally Posted by megaman85

On M.B. site under the powder conversions a few of the powder conversions do not use bb at all. I know there are many ways im seeing and different percentages of ba/bb used, but im not fully understanding why in some of the conversions there would not be any bb used at all. BB helps suspend the hormone and the ba sterilizes the compound, correct???

Some brews suspend easy enough without bb so it isnt necessary. BB is poison in high concentrations so some dont use it if it isnt needed.

[Action]

Originally Posted by admin

This is why Action doesn't inject, strictly orals.

Lol. You mean the other way around!

[powerman]

Originally Posted by b-real

Lucky you! That shit looked hideous lol. Can you imagine that seaping out of the injection site

Holy shit that shit looked like poison. Good recovery...lol

[davidbl769]

Originally Posted by biggerbird

so I recooked at 275 and repeated, gear now looks perfect! let it sit for 48 hours and no more funky growth either so should be in the clear. got lots of great info from the posts...next time i'm switching to grapeseed oil, will double check measurements to ensure precision and use less potent formula.

to answer some of the other questions, i did check the gear sent with my supplier who is a golden oldie here. everything was in order.

i couldn't have cooked it too long because i only heated the sesame seed oil up. I hadn't baked it yet before those growths appeared.

in hindsight, i believe the main culprit was having a little too much powder. with those low levels of oil, ba and bb, doesn't leave much room for error. next time i'll lower the potency and use the formula allowing for more oil etc.

thanks again everyone!!

badstone, is the man who gave me the advice for this fix. it helped me out of my first brew 2 years ago. glad it worked!!!!!!!!

[bigbobby]

i have been ordering from alin for over 5 years now. i just joined this website and found endless amounts of great info. a good friend of mine was telling me that he use to make his own but the place in china was shut down. does anyone know any good sources to order powder from? i am a new customer hope this was appropriate. any advice will be greatly appreciated. big bobby

[basskiller]

I know the thread is old but I am new here and I see alot have figured out the error

This recipe list that Under-Radar had posted here was compiled by a friend of mine named Harvey Balboner and in his haste, he his made a mistake on his numbers reguarding to the deca. But before he realized it, the original thread was copy and pasted to a hundred different boards. I believe there is only one board has his his corrected calculations and now this one also

It has to do with him forgeting to place a 1 infront of the 5 when it came to the BB concentration the .5 should have been a .15 . and that threw off the amount of oil also




Deca for 5 grams
needed
5 grams powder
16.25ml sesame oil
1.25ml BA 5%
3.75ml BB 15%
Syringes
Vial
Sterile Vial
Whatman sterile filter

1. Weigh out 5 grams of powder.
2. Place powder in vial.
3. Add BA & BB to the vial.
4. Heat oil in the oven to help sterilize it, heat to at least 212 degrees F. I usually heat my oil at 275 to be sure, I put the oil in a muffin pan, just fill one of the indentions this is plenty for these experiments. Also heat more oil than you need, as you will not be able to get it all out of the pan.
5. Add oil to the vial, save 2 ml of oil in the syringe for later. Gently shake vial.
6. Heat mixture if necessary. I like heating my powder products, by placing the vial in a frying pan, and placing it on the eye of the stove.
7. Place a 18 or 20 gauge needle in the sterile vial attach whatman sterile filter.
8. Place another needle in the sterile vial to relieve the pressure.
9. Draw out solution with a syringe, run though whatman filter.
10. Take other syringe with 2ml oil, run through whatman into solution.
Makes 25 ml @ 200 mg/ml



Deca for 10 grams
needed
10 grams powder
32.50 ml sesame oil
2.5ml BA 5%
7.50ml BB 15%
Syringes
Vial
Sterile Vial
Whatman sterile filter

1. Weigh out 10 grams of powder.
2. Place powder in vial.
3. Add BA & BB to the vial.
4. Heat oil in the oven to help sterilize it, heat to at least 212 degrees F. I usually heat my oil at 275 to be sure, I put the oil in a muffin pan, just fill one of the indentions this is plenty for these experiments. Also heat more oil than you need, as you will not be able to get it all out of the pan.
5. Add oil to the vial, save 2 ml of oil in the syringe for later. Gently shake vial.
6. Heat mixture if necessary. I like heating my powder products, by placing the vial in a frying pan, and placing it on the eye of the stove.
7. Place a 18 or 20 gauge needle in the sterile vial attach whatman sterile filter.
8. Place another needle in the sterile vial to relieve the pressure.
9. Draw out solution with a syringe, run though whatman filter.
10. Take other syringe with 2ml oil, run through whatman into solution.
Makes 50 ml @ 200 mg/ml

[b-real]

Just to clarify things....Ba is used to keep your gear sterilized by killing/hindering growth 99.9% bacteria. It is used as a suspension compound as well(just not concentrated enough for most brews alone. BB is the primary suspension compound when it is necessary. It also helps keep the ester attached to the hormone while in depot, thus preventing crystilization and better release into the blood network.

And UR Im not tryin to bust your balls but baking does kill bacteria. Ever wonder why we cook meat, eggs, etc (besides the taste factor)? One of the most resiliant bacterias we encounter in a normal lifestyle is salmonella and it kicks the bucket at 140 F after 2 min of exposure to that temp. The only thing we might be concerned about is the toxins bacteria leave behind if they are left to reproduce before they are annihalated. But if you are mixing ba in the mix before the cooking process(which is the correct way obviously) we wouldnt have to worry about that. Then of course, bake after 24-48 hours.

[Dead23]

Well i heard that decca is so easy to suspend that you nearly don't need any BB... I used 5% BB.. it's been nearly 24 hours and it looks fine.