Masteron crashed

[cappybye]

My Masteron E came out of suspension when I gave it the final bake. It was filtered through a 22um filter, one vial was cloudy and the other quite clear, I baked it for 30 minutes at 230 and it separated when it cooled. I even left the worst one in there for 45 min and put the hear up to 240, no change. I used 1.5%BA and 15%BB. One is cloudy and the other has particles settled on the bottom. Is there anything I can do it save it? Add BB and shake and bake?

[cappybye]

Here's a couple of pics. 50ml vials I sure hate to lose them

[doozied]

hey cappybye that has crashed well and truly, looks like that mast is being a pain and is hard to suspend. i would sugest going to 2.5% with the ba and go to 18% with the bb and re-baking. the ba is a realy good solvent and will help it to suspend if that does not work then go to 3% with the ba and 20% with the bb hope this helps bro

[joeracer01]

I would only ad BB.
I use 1%BA and 20% in all mixes except Test C 25% or 5% for each 50mg's if not using EO in the mix.
There is no need for more BA, it's not to suspend its there to kill bacteria.

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Originally Posted by doozied

hey cappybye that has crashed well and truly, looks like that mast is being a pain and is hard to suspend. i would sugest going to 2.5% with the ba and go to 18% with the bb and re-baking. the ba is a realy good solvent and will help it to suspend if that does not work then go to 3% with the ba and 20% with the bb hope this helps bro

Bump Doozied.. i always use 3% BA and 20% with mast never had a problem getting it to suspend !

[DBOY]

sorry to hear that bro, first off i would only brew small batches of gear (10-20 ml) until you know your recipe is good. i always do this, even when you get new powder that is supposed to be the same product...this will save from expensive mistakes, trust me i have been there. anyway, i would add 10% more bb, then bake n shake, also adding more ba wont hurt, 3% is pretty common, even though its primary purpose is disinfectant it does have some solvent benifits. its your call, goodluck

[joeracer01]

I just don’t get the desire of people wanting to use more BA then EVER needed when it destroys muscle cells.

Sorry i just dont see the need to hurt yourself for no reason. To me over 1% is bad and suggesting to use more is bad info becasue its just not needed.

Upjohn pharmaceutical only uses 1% BA in their mix and 20% BB
This is a US pharmaceutical company.
You think you know better than them? I know I don’t.

2 post below from people i know that have been around a long time and give great info.

From Fraggle @ MESO RX
1) High Benzyl Alcohol content.

Benzyl Alcohol (BA) is used to increase the lipid solubility of esterfied compounds and to prevent bacteria growth in the oil. Most UGL's use excess BA or only BA as the co-solvent, due to it's modest price. Unfortunately, it can cause the destruction of cells and significant localised pain and inflammation. The discomfort is characterised by fairly rapid onset of a painful, red, swollen area. This can be ameliorated by diluting the compound with sterile cutting oil (grapeseed, cottonseed, sesameseed). A 1:1 ratio often works well



a post written by SV-1 over on another board. Steroid.com

So I shot 1ml of 100% BB

Here's my experience shooting 1ml of 100% BB that had been filtered with a .2 pore whatman.

I injected the full ml of BB into my right pec with a 1" 25g needle. Immediately after the injection on a pain scale of 0 - 10 (0 being no discomfort and 10 being crippling pain) I'd say it felt about a 3 (a mild stinging sensation). Normally I'd do an injection after having a nice hot shower and warming up the solution to body temp. For this injection both my muscle and the BB were cold. I massaged the area to distribute the BB in the muscle and after about 5 minutes the pain dropped down to about a 1. Then after about an hour the pain dropped down to a 0, or as close to a 0 as possible for me. I could still tell that I had hit my pec (that happens to me with all injections) but there was no pain or discomfort to speak of.

It's now been over 12 hours since my injection and the pain/discomfort has never gone above the level of 0.


Why did I do this?
A lot of people have started to use low BA/high BB concentrations in their conversions, in part because of info that I've posted (IE you only need 1% BA for sterility and 20% BB is absolutely painless, aka Upjohn Cyp). I wanted to get an idea exactly how high a concentration could be used without pain, especially after seeing some recent recipes calling for 30% BB.

A good friend of mine by the name of ColdStone had already shot 1ml of BB and said it was completely painless. But given that he is also a complete and total masochist I wanted to find out for myself. BTW I am an absolute sissy when it comes to pain, so my experience would be a good contrast to his.

And based on the outcome of this experiment I've come to the conclusion that high levels of BB (+20%) are nothing to be afraid of, at least not for me.

Just please understand that everyone is different and your mileage may vary.

[DBOY]

good post joe, sometimes less is more, will give this a go in future recipes, i always like to see information backed up by something, pesonally exp. etc..........

[badstone]

When I brewed I always used less BA and more BB. 20% BB is the norm for mast. I like EO also in the mix

[doozied]

Originally Posted by joeracer01

I would only ad BB.
I use 1%BA and 20% in all mixes except Test C 25% or 5% for each 50mg's if not using EO in the mix.
There is no need for more BA, it's not to suspend its there to kill bacteria.

i get your point that bb is less toxic than ba but i would not feel comfortable using 1% ba for a ug lab an Upjohn pharmaceutical lab has very serile conditions and can get away with using 1% but i believe 2-3% is needed for a ug lab

[cappybye]

Going to add BB today go from 15% to 20% and see what happens....

[joeracer01]

Originally Posted by doozied

i get your point that bb is less toxic than ba but i would not feel comfortable using 1% ba for a ug lab an Upjohn pharmaceutical lab has very serile conditions and can get away with using 1% but i believe 2-3% is needed for a ug lab

If 1% can’t kill what’s in your hormone I don't suggest you inject any of it!

[DBOY]

Originally Posted by cappybye

Going to add BB today go from 15% to 20% and see what happens....

try that with just one bottle, if that dont work, keep increasing by 5% till it holds, shouldnt have to go past 30%....then you will know exactly how much to add to the other one....let us know how it turns out...

[Dead23]

Originally Posted by cappybye

My Masteron E came out of suspension when I gave it the final bake. It was filtered through a 22um filter, one vial was cloudy and the other quite clear, I baked it for 30 minutes at 230 and it separated when it cooled. I even left the worst one in there for 45 min and put the hear up to 240, no change. I used 1.5%BA and 15%BB. One is cloudy and the other has particles settled on the bottom. Is there anything I can do it save it? Add BB and shake and bake?

If increasing your BB doesn't work, everytime before you inject just heat up your vial in a pan of boiling water until it suspends. It can become irritating but saves throwing out otherwise perfectly good gear!!

[cappybye]

Had to go to 1.5%/25% and one still has a few big particles floating around. Guess another filtering will take care of it, hopefully it holds. Baked one of them for almost an hour the last 30 min at 240. Tough stuff to get into suspension. Started at 200mg/ml but I suppose I'll have to call it 175mg/ml now LOL!!!!

The Test E (2%/10%) and Primo E (1%/12%) are still looking great BTW.

[cappybye]

One is clear and the other is still crashed, totally cloudy.......how is that possible? WTF? Not as bad is before but still pretty bad.

[joeracer01]

You still using a water bath setup for your initial heat up?


I’m not sure of your process but here is mine in a quick layout

Measure powder, measure BB, add both to beaker, let site for a few mins to let it dissolve with no added heat, place in preheated pot, let it melt down/heat up, add oil, remove from heat at desired time, filter into holding container, then add pre filtered BA. I let this sit for 1-2 days.

I then bake for 30 mins @ 250. I then package up 2 10ml vials that I will place into the refrigerator for a week to see if it crashed under extreme conditions. I do this for every batch I do.

[cappybye]

I put the beaker directly on the stove with the Masteron. I mixed the powder, BB, and BA together when I brewed it initially.

Now I have one looking okay and the other still has floaties in it. I don't know what to make of it. I suppose I will use the good one if it stays suspended and I will assume it's around 150mg/ml......

[joeracer01]

With the cloudy one I would reheat and immediately filter and see what happens.
Filter while it’s hot/warm. I use zap caps and filter with it fairly hot.

[cappybye]

Originally Posted by cappybye

My Masteron E came out of suspension when I gave it the final bake. It was filtered through a 22um filter, one vial was cloudy and the other quite clear, I baked it for 30 minutes at 230 and it separated when it cooled. I even left the worst one in there for 45 min and put the hear up to 240, no change. I used 1.5%BA and 15%BB. One is cloudy and the other has particles settled on the bottom. Is there anything I can do it save it? Add BB and shake and bake?

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[cappybye]

Originally Posted by cappybye

One is clear and the other is still crashed, totally cloudy.......how is that possible? WTF? Not as bad is before but still pretty bad.

[cappybye]

Originally Posted by cappybye

Here's a couple of pics. 50ml vials I sure hate to lose them