Recipes using minimum BB

[cappybye]

I want to homebrew Test E, Masteron E, and Primo E, and I'm a newbie. From the flu-like symtoms I got during my frontload last cycle I know it's got to be healthier to use minimum BA and BB. At the same time I don't want to waste any precious powder so I have to be sure it's going to suspend properly and not give me any grief. From now on I'm deliberately staying away from short esters where high solvent levels are required.

I want to brew everything at 200mg/ml, so is there one recipe I can use for everything? I know I can use no BB for Test E, but what about the Mast E and Primo E? If I could get away with 2% BA and maybe 8% BB (or maybe even less) that might be a good option and make the process relatively idiot-proof?????

Experienced homebrewers what do you think? Please share your thoughts.

EDIT: So I've read that 2%BA and 5%BB should do the trick with Enathates? Does anyone have firsthand experience with Mast E and Primo E?

[badstone]

Originally Posted by cappybye

I want to homebrew Test E, Masteron E, and Primo E, and I'm a newbie. From the flu-like symtoms I got during my frontload last cycle I know it's got to be healthier to use minimum BA and BB. At the same time I don't want to waste any precious powder so I have to be sure it's going to suspend properly and not give me any grief. From now on I'm deliberately staying away from short esters where high solvent levels are required.

I want to brew everything at 200mg/ml, so is there one recipe I can use for everything? I know I can use no BB for Test E, but what about the Mast E and Primo E? If I could get away with 2% BA and maybe 8% BB (or maybe even less) that might be a good option and make the process relatively idiot-proof?????

Experienced homebrewers what do you think? Please share your thoughts.

EDIT: So I've read that 2%BA and 5%BB should do the trick with Enathates? Does anyone have firsthand experience with Mast E and Primo E?

With Primo I had to go 20%BB 2%BA when I brewed. It seemed to cloud up with less. The Flu like symptoms seem to happen with high BA......

[cappybye]

Damn 20% I was really hoping to get away with less than that. Running 800-1000 a week that's a lot of BB

[badstone]

I used 15% once and it was a little cloudy. But still usable I just warmed it up a bit and it cleared out every time. It may work fine for you though. Different powders from different sources mix differently(they shouldnt but they do). I would at least stick with 800mg of primo.

[cappybye]

I think I will start at 2% and 10% and see how it goes. I figure at 200mg/ml it should be that much easier to suspend.

[joeracer01]

It’s not just the suspension in the vial you have to think about!
The bb helps allow the chemical to disperse at a good rate so that it doesn’t crystallize in depot.
US test cypionate is made with 20% BB and 1% BA
Also there is no need to have more than 1% BA in any mix.
It’s not there to suspend it’s there to kill bacteria.
Why are you afraid of 20% BB?
In fact for my test cypionate I use 25% BB if making it at 250mg/ml cyp is a pain to suspend and keep from crystallizing if you don’t do 5% for every 50mg/ml unless you use EO.

Also the purer the powder the harder to suspend.

[cappybye]

Originally Posted by joeracer01

It’s not just the suspension in the vial you have to think about!
The bb helps allow the chemical to disperse at a good rate so that it doesn’t crystallize in depot.
US test cypionate is made with 20% BB and 1% BA
Also there is no need to have more than 1% BA in any mix.
It’s not there to suspend it’s there to kill bacteria.
Why are you afraid of 20% BB?
In fact for my test cypionate I use 25% BB if making it at 250mg/ml cyp is a pain to suspend and keep from crystallizing if you don’t do 5% for every 50mg/ml unless you use EO.

Also the purer the powder the harder to suspend.

They say BB is about dispersal, and that may be okay for the guy with low test who wants to take a shot every couple of weeks, but for us who are injecting twice a week the dispersal excuse is a moot point. Benzyl Benzoate is pure poison and there no way I will ever inject huge amounts of Props again. I'm going to homebrew as much as I can from now on and keep the BB as low as possible. Here's a bit of reading for you:


I must try and make this clear, as my mates write up was not telling the whole deal, what is going on is there is a large combination of solvents being mixed at one time, not just BB and BA, and the fact many do not truly know what raw hormones they are using, and if the production standards are tech grade or USP, there is also toxic solvents used in this production. And mates are mixing our position on this with IP Pharma out of China. The bottom line it is the combination of solvents, and the product you speak of is meant to be done in small doses and to do 3 to 5 times what the dosing states is common behavior, this is were BB becomes toxic at 20% as you are actually using much more then 20% BB by doing such high dosing, and not following instructions. Most chaps are doing between 500 to 2000 mg per week of Test and many other types of hormones all at high levels of BB and BA, this spells trouble, so we will do our best to clear that up.

WHEN YOU DO YOUR MATH NOW IT EQUALS TOXIC!



Lets explain further;

We here at CLR would like to better explain the use of solvents, primary one Benzyl Benzoate, we had had a reader, and seen several post on the subject of Schering Laboratories use of 100 mg and 200 mg per ml Testosterone Depot (Test Cyp)

First; yes this is correct statement that this DEPOT BASE INJECTION DOES HAVE 20% BB, But we here at CLR are thinking for gods sake mates why and the hell would a company use 20% BB in a Testosterone that takes very little solvent to break down?

Well 99% of the bath tub boys are looking at the picture wrong and basing their facts off of one product a Depot injection product, well you are asking what the difference is? “Big difference” as the BB is not being used in anyway as a solvent; I personally never use BB as a solvent, but why? The answer is quite simple “Once we picked up the telly and called the men in charge”. This products number one use is for men with low Natural Testosterone levels, second use that this company has been working on for many years to prefect is its use as male birth control, sorry to say with little success, yes it does work but requires injection at least every 10 to 14 days, This is not practical from a medical stand point. This is where the BB comes into place, in laymen’s terms BB is used as a bonding agent “in so many words” the great thing about BB is it bonds to the Testosterone Molecule itself when injected unlike Benzyl Alcohol that the blood washes away within the muscle within minutes leaving the Test crystals behind in the muscle itself, well Schering was working on a way to prolong the absorption of the hormone, and BB is the answer as it does not get washed away by the blood in your muscle, but bonds to the crystals within allowing this product to stay in the system longer at a slower rate of absorption period, hence the term Depot injection, this product is meant to be injected every 7 to 14 day 200 mg per shot, and at 20% BB this is far from toxic to the man that is only using to up his test levels, not the athlete who is trying to build quality lean muscle mass, this is a completely different story!

So many very simple minded twits are tying to convince not only themselves and many others that if a legal lab like Schering is doing this it must be safe, sure it is if you are administering as instructed, but we all know that is not the case, many mates are doing 3 to 10 times this dose in a week and not to add all the other types of hormones they are combining within that same week.

Take this Test Depot and up the dose this many times and you are killing your liver and kidneys period! We hope we do not have to get into this much more as you the athlete should understand what we are trying to say? If not, it is not time for you to be using anabolics period!


We Hope this helps you out, and if you have any further questions please feel free to ask, as we enjoy the many very kind questions being asked with out being morons on the subject. As we are here to try are best to help, and even though all of us have many years under our belts does not mean we are perfect.

[cappybye]

This Article is to stop the miss information that now floods the Underground forums geared to the Kitchen Chemists and underground labs that actually sell their shit on the open market.

First let me start by saying after months of viewing these underground bodybuilding forums and their so called chemistry threads. All I have seen is miss information and information that is down right deadly in regards to fellows making their own inject able anabolics.

I want to start with the so called High dose products. Many out there live under the theory, if I can produce a 400 or 500mg per ml Testosterone Enanthate for example, I will not have to inject as often, and this will help prevent the scaring of the muscle in the site injection area.

Well in theory it is a nice thought, in the real world it is a deadly one, and damages the muscle, Kidneys, and liver with a vengeance.

Why, I’m sure you are asking? First in order to achieve these mega doses “that are not necessary in the first place” you must use high %’s of solvents, such as Benzyl Alcohol, Benzyl Benzoate, Peg, Pg, Glycerin’s and Ethyl Oleate, so on and so on. People do not realize that in percentages above 5% this is toxic!!

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Well many will come back and say I have been doing the 20% BB with 3 and 5% BA for a few years with no problems. Think again, and check the injection area, as the muscle will quickly scare so bad that you will be unable to even inject a water base medication in that site area, also the stress that these solvents place on the liver and kidneys is harsh and deadly to some. I even see people using Peg-200, Peg-400, Pg, Glycerin’s and Ethyl Oleate as there suspensions, so they are able to keep these hormones at these insane doses.

There reasons why in the real industry you do not see such doses nor the use of these toxic solvents in these insane percentages. As it is not necessary (more is not better) Quality is the best. You do not have to take our word for this, just simple research will do it. The Sad part is most people do not even know what these products are, they just see some idiot that has 5000 post on a board and think, WOW he must know what he is talking about, NO! All that means is these fellows have to much time on their hands, and most defiantly do not have time to train, earn a living, and sit hour after hour each day posting threads, that they read from some other idiot.


I would like to use and example of a product that still floats around in the Mexican Vet Clinics till this day, Reforvit-B “spelling may be off” but the old school mates know what I speak of. Comes in a 50ml vial 25mg per ml D-Bol with a B-complex suspended in Propylene Glycol with 1ml of a local pain med, so you do not feel the pain of the injection, This product is JUNK, BUT IN ITS DAY WAS WIDELY SOLD. It is great for the horses and cattle. Human use far from it.

The point of this article is to wake some people up. If you are going to produce these products in your kitchen “and this is how it is done” Is to try to achieve the closet too a GMP standard that you can. 2% BA USP grade, 3 to 5% BB and no more then 200MG on Long chain esters and no more then 75 mg short chain. Autoclaved vials, no more then 10ml.

[soldierdavis]

Have you ever gotten anything to suspend at only 5% BB Cappy? Ive only brewed test e and tren e and used 18%BB with no problem just wondering if maybe i can get away with even less since from now on ill be making my own

[cappybye]

Originally Posted by soldierdavis

Have you ever gotten anything to suspend at only 5% BB Cappy? Ive only brewed test e and tren e and used 18%BB with no problem just wondering if maybe i can get away with even less since from now on ill be making my own

I've never homebrewed anything before, hence the questions I'm asking. Test E should be a piece of cake at 2% and 10%. Not sure about others. I've read that Tren E takes a high BB, but since one never takes very big doses of Tren E it isn't such a big deal. I'm more concerned with things like Test, Primo, and EQ which are high weekly dose compounds.

[joeracer01]

Good luck with your brews...