Winny brewing experts please take a look (pic inside)

[joeracer01]

Recipe
200ml 75mg/ml
Powder 15 grams
BA 2ml 1%
BB 40ml 20%
EO 30ml 15%
Guaiacol 30ml 15%
GSO 86.7ml

It will not hold. I have not filtered what you see in the picture.
If on the stove at temp its clear and look as it should.
As it cools it looks like this.
Any suggestion on how to save it?

[cookiedough]

There's a lot of different solutions in your mix. I've had fits w/winny, as have many others. You could double the BA and re-heat? I've seen a few recipes that call for 2% BA... You have to hit a high temp to suspend winny. Where'd you find this recipe?

[joeracer01]

It’s my own recipe.
Took part from basskiller using 2ml G to 1g of powder.
The use of EO to thin and help with pain
The use of BB to help the powder spread evenly in depot
I use 20% BB in all brews except EQ
GSO as I use that for everything
I only use 1% BA in all my brews, really no need for more ever as far as I know
I have also read that winny doesn’t like high amounts of BA (from basskiller and other sources)

Yes I had to heat this stuff so hot to get it to melt. At first it was just milky and nothing was mixing at all.

This was my first try with winny.
I have read it is a read PITA to work with.

[cookiedough]

A few threads on the same issue, here's one to help: http://www.steroidworld.com/forums/v...need-help.html

[sideshow1701]

did you find your answer to your problem.

Badstone has a recipe for winny and it contained a few of the items ,but it worked and you have to grind the winny finer

[breal2]

Way too many chemicals. I like bads recipe for injectable winny.

[badstone]

Originally Posted by joeracer01

Recipe
200ml 75mg/ml
Powder 15 grams
BA 2ml 1%
BB 40ml 20%
EO 30ml 15%
Guaiacol 30ml 15%
GSO 86.7ml

It will not hold. I have not filtered what you see in the picture.
If on the stove at temp its clear and look as it should.
As it cools it looks like this.
Any suggestion on how to save it?

Winstrol Powder - 1g
BA - 0.04mL
BB - 0.4mL
EO - 14.85mL
This makes 20ml/50mg This is a solid brew.....

[sideshow1701]

See Badstone comes threw again

get a new batch made and try small portion first.

ive been doing brewing for 10 years now and always try to stick to the formula that are on here.

test suspension and winny are bastards to make right but very powerful esp test suspension

pin size 21 ,its not fun.

[joeracer01]

Well I got it to hold so far. Time will tell.
Added 15ml EO and 20ml G to get the mix to about 50mg/ml
EDIT: the rest was GSO to get the mix to 50mg/ml

This mix has been use.
I have been told its one of the most pain-free winnys he has used.

Shot with a 23g needle no issues.

Badstone thanks for you recipe!
Whats the largest amount of winny have u made at one time?


I have found things change a bit when making larger amounts.
I will try a smaller amount soon and then try a larger one with the same recipe to see what happens.

Breal2,
I would like to know why you think there are too many chemicals.
People love to state this from time to time but I never see a technical explanation to why.
Just stating too many chemicals is not helpful to me or others.
Please let me know how you would get 200ml @ 75mg/ml of winny to hold in oil all at once.

[breal2]

Originally Posted by joeracer01

Breal2,
I would like to know why you think there are too many chemicals.
People love to state this from time to time but I never see a technical explanation to why.
Just stating too many chemicals is not helpful to me or others.
Please let me know how you would get 200ml @ 75mg/ml of winny to hold in oil all at once.

Well there's really nothing technical about it. I try to keep it as simple as possible using the bare minimum off chems to get the job done. In most cases the bare minimum is 2% ba and 10% bb and I decrease dosage accordingly to ensure suspension. The less chemical soup I have in my body the better I feel...but thats just me.

[cookiedough]

Originally Posted by breal2

Well there's really nothing technical about it. I try to keep it as simple as possible using the bare minimum off chems to get the job done. In most cases the bare minimum is 2% ba and 10% bb and I decrease dosage accordingly to ensure suspension. The less chemical soup I have in my body the better I feel...but thats just me.

Me too. The less, the better. I especially don't like EO. Just my opinion too. BrewReal's always pointed me in the right direction.

[joeracer01]

That’s fine it’s an opinion and I respect that.
To make such a blanket statement which is unfounded is kind of silly though.

I find this funny. Pertains to adding more chemical. Made some gear, have questions

When I made a batch of test it had an oil in water look to it. Everyone jumped on and said add more chemical. I didn’t add a drop of anything and it worked out fine, needed to be baked. So in one thread I get add more and the next I get use less. Need to keep it consistent guys.

By saying too many chemical and not stating how to fix it or where I went wrong doesn’t help. With seeing what I was trying to accomplish how would you go about making what I was trying to make at the same values (200ml @ 75mg/ml)? I think I was using the bare minimum and it showed by not holding. I added until I got it to hold. I tried everything I could to get it to hold without adding a drop of anything. Re-baked at a higher temp, Re-baked at a higher temp for a long period of time, re-baked higher temp for a long time with a controlled slow cool down.

I appreciate all the input and help. We bounce ideas off each other and look at things from a different perspective which I like a lot as you might see something I didn’t see. Thing is if you are going to give a reply about something be ready to explain how and why so that people can understand. Straight opinions are great at times but don’t help fix the situation.

[breal2]

Originally Posted by joeracer01

That’s fine it’s an opinion and I respect that.
To make such a blanket statement which is unfounded is kind of silly though.

I find this funny. Pertains to adding more chemical. Made some gear, have questions

When I made a batch of test it had an oil in water look to it. Everyone jumped on and said add more chemical. I didn’t add a drop of anything and it worked out fine, needed to be baked. So in one thread I get add more and the next I get use less. Need to keep it consistent guys.

By saying too many chemical and not stating how to fix it or where I went wrong doesn’t help. With seeing what I was trying to accomplish how would you go about making what I was trying to make at the same values (200ml @ 75mg/ml)? I think I was using the bare minimum and it showed by not holding. I added until I got it to hold. I tried everything I could to get it to hold without adding a drop of anything. Re-baked at a higher temp, Re-baked at a higher temp for a long period of time, re-baked higher temp for a long time with a controlled slow cool down.

I appreciate all the input and help. We bounce ideas off each other and look at things from a different perspective which I like a lot as you might see something I didn’t see. Thing is if you are going to give a reply about something be ready to explain how and why so that people can understand. Straight opinions are great at times but don’t help fix the situation.

Sorry for responding to your post...didnt mean to hit a nerve but I thought I gave you my advice pretty clearly...you used more chemicals than necessary and refer to bads recipe of which the link was already given.

[joeracer01]

So how would you get it to hold at 200ml @ 75mg/ml?
How can you say too many chems with no substance to back it up?
If you are trying to tell me you have winny in oil with 2% ba and 10% bb you are the man. I find it hard to believe as I have never seen anyone post that recipe as a successful one.

I’m not mad or anything. The nerve you have hit is speaking without having valid info to back it up. I’m sure you are very experienced and as CD stated you have never steered him the wrong way. The thing is I’m no sheep. I will question what you say and how you arrived at said conclusion and from your response determine if it holds water and makes sense.

[badstone]

I have made some 250ml batches of EQ, DECA, AND TEST but i found that its easier to make only what I needed at the time. I tried to stick with 50ml and under batches. I dont brew anymore...

[breal2]

Originally Posted by joeracer01

So how would you get it to hold at 200ml @ 75mg/ml?
How can you say too many chems with no substance to back it up?
If you are trying to tell me you have winny in oil with 2% ba and 10% bb you are the man. I find it hard to believe as I have never seen anyone post that recipe as a successful one.

I’m not mad or anything. The nerve you have hit is speaking without having valid info to back it up. I’m sure you are very experienced and as CD stated you have never steered him the wrong way. The thing is I’m no sheep. I will question what you say and how you arrived at said conclusion and from your response determine if it holds water and makes sense.

I wouldnt brew injectable winny at 75mg just because the ratios of solvents needed to allow suspension are too high in my opinion. As I stated in my response to you, I keep my solvents low and adjust the dose accordingly. Sorry I didnt mention that in the first response. The advantage of brewing winny is that you can take it orally at a dose you might not otherwise be able to brew at. Now, my point behind "too many chems" is that its too many chems I'd feel comfortable injecting into my body. It had nothing to do with whether it was too many chems to make the brew work or not work. If you dont mind the excess chems and just want a higher dose regardless, I would increase ba to 4% and bb to 25%. More bb will help disperse the ba along with the hormone at depot so it will counter the ba pain effect from damaging muscle fibers and nerves.

[breal2]

Just food for thought... I read a few articles breaking down the biological benefits of taking a low oral dose of winny along with a moderate dose of injectable winny. Thought I posted it here but cant find it. Ill try to dig it up and repost. It might make everyone's lives a little easier while brewing winny as you could keep the injectable brew at a low dose and still reap more benefits.

[cookiedough]

Good points breal, getting the brew into suspension is one thing, choosing what to inject is another. The chems are a necessary evil IMO and I would rather keep the BA & the BB as low as possible to suspend.

[joeracer01]

Thanks badstone!
My minimum is usually 200ml batches.
In my short try at this I have done Test e, c, and p along with deca, eq, tren e, winny, and my own formula of sust.

Breal2 thanks for the reply!
Looking forward to the article.

I think from now on I will cap winny.
This brew was for a friend and the G is horrible to work with. Smells so damn bad and my place is impregnated with the smell.