Over 40 in need of guidance

[muscle8g]

MY FIRST CYCLE
im 44yrs old/ 510'/ 235lbs / down from 280+/waist 41 down from 50
22-25% bodyfat/ lifting 2yrs 14 months serious 4times a week
Wants-220-230lbs / 36-38 waist / 8-10% bodyfat.
i like my body size i just want muscles on it
and lats that show
im ready to order my first cycle
Is Winstol and Deca-durabolin the way?? If not what is???
I've read hours of opinions of different company's and Skinny Gurus.
You guys have been there help please.
These are my current pictures

[TheWoobs]

hey bro, you look good man. You definitely have some muscle. Done only 1 cycle myself but from what Ive learned here if you want to get cutt focus on diet first, cardio and then gear. For a first cycle you would probably want to do a basic long ester gear. You dont want to inject Every day or every other day.

If I were start out again, I would cut down first get to 235 and then do a basic Testosterone only cycle for 10-12 weeks.

Testosterone Cyp or Test Enthanate or Sustanon 500mg a week. Take or have an Antiestrogen on hand to keep from gettn gyno and bloat and have PCT ready. Your diet will determine whether you lose or gain fat.

[muscle8g]

is nolvadex the only other item i would need for that cycle and pcts

[muscle8g]

ordering on monday any other advice would be great
im ready to get started

[WetWorks]

at your age Test is a must! you should be doing TRT = testosterone replacement therapy regardless.

[WetWorks]

whats your diet look like?

[muscle8g]

lots of fish tilapia,snapper,tuna-steak-chicken breast
broccolli,spinach,brown rice,greenbeans -corn12-18 eggs daily without fail 2-3 whey protein drinks baked french fries on cheat day-peanuts
nothing else. very strict eater after ulcer surgery

[TheWoobs]

You can use Nolva during your cycle maybe starting at week 3 10mg every other day. Some guys say not to use anything unless you start to feel gyno coming and then start up. I rather be safe than sorry cause I dont need any bigger titties lol..

What are you going to do for PCT? Check out Anthony Roberts PCT thread on here. Get some HCG too

[muscle8g]

Thanks i'll find out what HCG is online then look up the thread.
If you have any other sugestions, books or articles hit me back.
This first cycle makes me nervous so the more information i have
the simpler this process will be.

[WetWorks]

best cycles consist of an anabolic, androgenic, and a DHT.

example

weeks 1-12 Test Cyp 500 mg once a week
weeks 1-12 Deca 400 mg once a week
weeks 1-12 Masterone Enth 450 mg once a week

TRT until next cycle 200 mg Test Cyp

400 grams protein everyday

[muscle8g]

is this a actual cylcle your suggesting?
if so can they be combined into one syringe a week?

[prime]

Originally Posted by muscle8g

is this a actual cylcle your suggesting?
if so can they be combined into one syringe a week?

better to go two injects a week. That's a 4cc+ inject if you do a single.

[TheWoobs]

Originally Posted by prime

better to go two injects a week. That's a 4cc+ inject if you do a single.

Bump that, unless you dont want to walk normal for a week..

You will most likely be sore the first few injections.

[Gman]

Originally Posted by WetWorks

best cycles consist of an anabolic, androgenic, and a DHT.

example

weeks 1-12 Test Cyp 500 mg once a week
weeks 1-12 Deca 400 mg once a week
weeks 1-12 Masterone Enth 450 mg once a week

TRT until next cycle 200 mg Test Cyp

400 grams protein everyday

Hey time out, this isn't a first cycle recommendation ^^^^^ Just stick to the basics like Woobs said: Test for 12 wks and then do a good PCT. Your going to see some good results. Wet's right about the TRT if you got good insurance check with your doc, if not go with Wet's suggestion of 200mg wkly.

[TheWoobs]

Your not a VIP, I hope you have a good source because 95% of the sites are scammers!!!!! I got scammed out of 300 bones before I found this site and went VIP, great legit sources US Domestic or International. VIP membersip accesses you to a number of great sources to get quality legit gear. Dont gamble bro unless your coming to Vegas!! We need the money, lol.

[WetWorks]

Originally Posted by Gman

Hey time out, this isn't a first cycle recommendation ^^^^^ Just stick to the basics like Woobs said: Test for 12 wks and then do a good PCT. Your going to see some good results. Wet's right about the TRT if you got good insurance check with your doc, if not go with Wet's suggestion of 200mg wkly.

that cycle is not out of range for a first cycle. you can get both Test Cyp and Deca from a Doc for TRT. the Mast was added instead of a crappy anti-e.

[muscle8g]

Ive asked a lot of questions and done a lot of reading today on test
-cyp-prop-enanthate-stonon-masteron/HCG-nolav-clomid-armidex.etc
the Censes pionts to test PROP or CYP 12 weeks with nolav-and-HCG then pcts same.
Would anyone else like to weigh in???

[TheWoobs]

No no do not use Test Prop unless you want to inject every other day!!

You want Cyp, Enthanate or Sustanon.(these are long acting esters slow release, Prop is fast release thus numerous injections). Enthanate is considered best for first time use.

Originally Posted by muscle8g

Ive asked a lot of questions and done a lot of reading today on test
-cyp-prop-enanthate-stonon-masteron/HCG-nolav-clomid-armidex.etc
the Censes pionts to test PROP or CYP 12 weeks with nolav-and-HCG then pcts same.
Would anyone else like to weigh in???

[muscle8g]

Originally Posted by TheWoobs

No no do not use Test Prop unless you want to inject every other day!!

You want Cyp, Enthanate or Sustanon.(these are long acting esters slow release, Prop is fast release thus numerous injections). Enthanate is considered best for first time use.

seeing that I never injected that does sound easier to maintain.

So Cyp 500mg per week nolvadex and HCG 12 weeks and join VIP to aviod rip offs thats it?

[TheWoobs]

Originally Posted by muscle8g

seeing that I never injected that does sound easier to maintain.

So Cyp 500mg per week nolvadex and HCG 12 weeks and join VIP to aviod rip offs thats it?

Put it this way.. Before VIP I found 2 sites I thought were legit, One I send 300 and never heard a word picked up my cash WU next day never a word no email-boom cash gone. I find another site think is legit order March 20, got my package June 25. Paid for VIP, find a referred source, great reviews and approved by this site. Order on Saturday, get all my gear on Thursday same week... Need I say more

[muscle8g]

i was given lots of high priced recomenations by site last year by some guy via email over a two week period and i thought i had built a trusting relationship and got screwed for 500+ i havent been able to think about it without getting angry.
i made up my mind ive got to find a way. then i found this site it gave me
confidence to actually do it. also in my choices for my 1st cycle. all the theads i read really convinced me.
sum it up im in SOLD

[muscle8g]

Originally Posted by TheWoobs

Put it this way.. Before VIP I found 2 sites I thought were legit, One I send 300 and never heard a word picked up my cash WU next day never a word no email-boom cash gone. I find another site think is legit order March 20, got my package June 25. Paid for VIP, find a referred source, great reviews and approved by this site. Order on Saturday, get all my gear on Thursday same week... Need I say more

thanks