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[winny]

Hey everyone,

It's been a while since I've last visited as I have been trying to get my body fat down from 22% to about 17%. My question is that on my last post back in april, Under the Radar had replied to one of my questions with a website that I could find more info on different types of gear. Does anyone know of a good website with that info as to what to take with what and how much to take etc.? And what can one take with winny to help with the joints? Thanks guys

[mike0286]

You can find a lot of good info on what to take and how on here. As for the joints...there are a lot of good "joint relief" supps. I got mine from bodybuilding.com. That and keep the omega 3's up and you should be fine

[davidbl769]

Originally Posted by mike0286

You can find a lot of good info on what to take and how on here. As for the joints...there are a lot of good "joint relief" supps. I got mine from bodybuilding.com. That and keep the omega 3's up and you should be fine

bump mike! you need your bf lower than that to for winny to work proper. what are some of your short term goals?

[winny]

My goal is to get cut and stay cut. I know that using winny you keep most of what you get out of it after your done taking. My body fat is about 17% and I weight about 230lbs. Would you recommend something different all together like EQ or masteron, Primo? I'm not looking to gain any size just get the chiseled look.

[Replicator]

Originally Posted by winny

My goal is to get cut and stay cut. I know that using winny you keep most of what you get out of it after your done taking. My body fat is about 17% and I weight about 230lbs. Would you recommend something different all together like EQ or masteron, Primo? I'm not looking to gain any size just get the chiseled look.

Then with respect leave the gear well alone and go on a decent diet and you will get that chiseled look if diet and training is all of a high standard.

The following info might help

HOW MUCH CALORIES

* If you intend to bulk up, then consume 20 to 22 calories per 1 pound of bodyweight. EX. A 200 pound person would consume 4,000 to 4,400 calories per day to bulk up.

* If you intend to maintain your current bodyweight, then consume 15 to 18 calories per 1 pound of bodyweight. EX. A 200 pound person would consume 3,000 to 3,600 calories per day to maintain his or her current bodyweight.

* If you intend to cut up, then consume 10 to 12 calories per 1 pound of bodyweight. EX. A 200 pound person would consume 2,000 to 2,400 calories per day to cut up.

Second, consider the correct nutrient ratio for the desire cycle. Now I understand that there are different opinions of ratios of nutrients but for the purpose of getting those on the right track to understanding diets,,,, let’s not turn this thread into an argument about diet ratios. I’m offering what I use on a daily basis. Read and learn about different ratios and experiment which one works the best for you. My way doesn’t mean it’s right or wrong,,, it just works best for me. You'll learn over time through trial and error what works best for you.

*** Formulas you’ll need to know :
There are 4 calories per 1 gram of carbohydrate.
There are 4 calories per 1 gram of protein.
There are 9 calories per 1 gram of fat.

For bulking, a 45/40/15 ratio of carbs, proteins, and fats would be the average norm. This means that a 200 pound individual looking to consume 4,000 calories per day would consume 45% of those 4,000 cals in carbs, 45% of those 4,000 cals in proteins, and 15% of those 4,000 cals in fats.
45% of carbs = 1,800 cals or 450 grams of carbs ( 1,800 cals divided by 4 cals )
40% of proteins = 1,600 cals or 400 grams of proteins ( 1,600 cals divided by 4 cals )
15% of fats = 600 cals or 67 grams of fats ( 600 cals divided by 9 cals rounded off to the whole number )

I use the same ratios for maintaining and cutting bodyweight, which is a 30/50/20 ratio of nutrients. ( carbs/proteins/fats )

For maintaining bodyweight : A 200 pound individual looking to consume 3,000 calories per day would consume 30% of those 3,000 calories in carbs, 50% of those 3,000 calories in proteins, and 20% of those 3,000 calories in fats.
30% of carbs = 900 cals or 225 grams of carbs ( 900 cals divided by 4 cals )
50% of proteins = 1,500 or 375 grams of proteins ( 1,500 divided by 4 cals )
20% of fats = 600 cals or 67 grams of fats ( 600 divided by 9 cals rounded off to the whole number )

For cutting bodyweight : A 200 pound individual looking to consume 2,000 calories per day would consume 30% of those 2,000 calories in carbs, 50% of those 2,000 calories in proteins, and 20% of those 2,000 calories in fats.
30% of carbs = 600 or 150 grams of carbs ( 600 cals divided by 4 cals )
50% of proteins = 1,000 cals or 250 grams of proteins ( 1,000 cals divided by 4 cals )
20% of fats = 400 cals or 44 grams of fats ( 400 cals divided by 9 cals rounded off to the whole number )

REP

[cookiedough]

Originally Posted by winny

My goal is to get cut and stay cut. I know that using winny you keep most of what you get out of it after your done taking. My body fat is about 17% and I weight about 230lbs. Would you recommend something different all together like EQ or masteron, Primo? I'm not looking to gain any size just get the chiseled look.

The quickest way to carve a six pack is with a spoon and a fork. AAS and others will help, but it's 90% diet. There's a TON of GR8 info on here about diet.

Some AAS are better than others, but that depends on your system, etc. The main thing they do is prevent muscle loss when reducing calories. If your protein is sufficient you can gain muscle on a reduced calorie diet which also aids in fat loss.

In the end you can take all the substances you like, but none of them will make you lean without the strict diet. As our mentor Under Radar likes to say: "Ask me how I know."

[winny]

Thanks for the info. I know 90% of getting cut has to do with eating right, I just want to get an edge and see the results faster and taking the right gear would help me get there and keep my muscles harder through my lifting

[WetWorks]

Originally Posted by winny

Thanks for the info. I know 90% of getting cut has to do with eating right, I just want to get an edge and see the results faster and taking the right gear would help me get there and keep my muscles harder through my lifting

whats your stats and how many cycles have you done so far?

[Action]

Originally Posted by cookiedough

The quickest way to carve a six pack is with a spoon and a fork. AAS and others will help, but it's 90% diet.

Wow, couldn't have said it better than this. Good point CD...

Results start in the kitchen...

[cookiedough]

Originally Posted by Action

Wow, couldn't have said it better than this. Good point CD...

Results start in the kitchen...

Thnx, but I learned it from you and some of the others here...

[mike0286]

Originally Posted by cookiedough

The quickest way to carve a six pack is with a spoon and a fork."

Awsome quote...very true

[winny]

I'm about 230lbs body fat around 16% and I've done only one cycle of winstrol

[Action]

Originally Posted by winny

My goal is to get cut and stay cut. I know that using winny you keep most of what you get out of it after your done taking. My body fat is about 17% and I weight about 230lbs. Would you recommend something different all together like EQ or masteron, Primo? I'm not looking to gain any size just get the chiseled look.

Look towards your diet first. No amount of AAS and fat burners can give you the results you want unless you start with the foundation which is diet, then training then cycling.

Your cycle should always involve a Test in there and not something on its own cause you'll be taking away from your overall gains.

At 16% BF, you can train hard, diet and cut your BF a few points down to a lower number, but you must be willing to diet hard.

My recommendations would be Palumbo diet and a cycle of a fast acting Test and a DHT.

[WetWorks]

Originally Posted by Action

Look towards your diet first. No amount of AAS and fat burners can give you the results you want unless you start with the foundation which is diet, then training then cycling.

Your cycle should always involve a Test in there and not something on its own cause you'll be taking away from your overall gains.

At 16% BF, you can train hard, diet and cut your BF a few points down to a lower number, but you must be willing to diet hard.

My recommendations would be Palumbo diet and a cycle of a fast acting Test and a DHT.

Bump Action

[cookiedough]

Originally Posted by Action

Look towards your diet first. No amount of AAS and fat burners can give you the results you want unless you start with the foundation which is diet, then training then cycling.

Your cycle should always involve a Test in there and not something on its own cause you'll be taking away from your overall gains.

At 16% BF, you can train hard, diet and cut your BF a few points down to a lower number, but you must be willing to diet hard.

My recommendations would be Palumbo diet and a cycle of a fast acting Test and a DHT.

That's good stuff winny! We aren't trying to be hard asses here, this is the proven & most effective way to get you to your results. Decades of experience and study boiled down for our easy understanding/consumption.

[winny]

thanx fellas. appreciate all your insight

[cookiedough]

Originally Posted by winny

thanx fellas. appreciate all your insight

Check out the ketosis or palumbo diet. You'll have quick success with those if you're disciplined. There are lots of threads to read on those. You can then springboard into a short cycle to accelerate the process after the diet plateaus... It doesn't seem sexy to delay the cycle, but it's completely worth it as I've done both routes over the years and the diet, then cycle and diet really works. Don't be shy about posting up questions, etc. b/c the guys will be very helpful.

[Gman]

Originally Posted by winny

I'm about 230lbs body fat around 16% and I've done only one cycle of winstrol

Only one cycle using just winny? No disrespect but you REALLY need to read up on what constitutes a well planned out cycle. The Bros have given you good advice take some time here to read up on diet and if after a year or two you think you are ready for aas then start using a test only cycle. Again just my .02