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08-19-2010, 09:02 AM
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The Ugly Truth
The ugly truth about steroid use for women - by Chickpwrlftr
This is a topic that many women do not like to discuss and in a lot of cases, they're not educated on when they're introduced to gear. There are many benefits to using gear, for whatever reason, whether it be for quality of life, prevention of cancer, hormone replacement therapy, athletics, etc. However, there are some consequences to using gear, some that are not avoidable, and some even permanent. I know I preach a lot about the positive aspects of using gear to both men and women. But it is my duty to also warn the women about the side effects and what to expect. I am not just giving information on the side effects out of textbook knowledge, I am also sharing personal experience having been on gear for some time myself and from guidance that I have provided other women, having witnessed their experiences as well. The immune system has some dependency on estrogen. It is very common for female bodybuilders and athletes who take antiestrogens during their gear cycles to get sick more often. So if you plan on taking antiestrogens, like during cutting cycles, please be aware of this and take necessary precautions to help prevent illnesses like the commond cold. The reason short esters and mild AAS are recommended when women express interest in using gear is basically because of the side effects that are to be expected. Any AAS that have strong androgenic activity are going to have an effect on women, whether one likes it or not. The dose, duration, and frequency determine the impact of these side effects. Low dose, infrequent, and short cycle periods are encouraged to help avoid or mitigate such side effects and the off-cycle period recommended to be twice the time of the on-cycle. This is just a general recommendation and not something that is sure to prevent or help clear up any side effects. A woman has to pay close attention to her body and be very aware of any changes she experiences when on cycle. If any side effects are not wanted, a woman should change dose or come off cycle as soon as possible if she starts to notice them. There are women who choose to tolerate side effects and some who have no choice. Women who choose to are usually competitors and learn to adapt to changes they have to make in their lifestyle to accommodate. The women who have no choice are usually cancer patients in remission, some with muscle-wasting diseases, or those with the lack of hormones produced naturally due to hysterectomies, menopause, post menopause, etc. What changes in lifestyle are we talking about? Changes like shaving (the face, around nipples, belly, even chest, arms and sometimes back), coping with hairloss and hair-thinning, and changes to the shape of the body and face. These side effects are real and can turn a woman's world upside down to maintain if she is not prepared for such consequences. I grew up with hirsutism (hair growth on the face), so I was accustomed to shaving. I'll admit, it got worse when I went on HRT, so the one thing I had to get used to was the 5 o'clock shadow and sometimes shaving twice a day. I'm afraid for women, hair growth on the face takes a very long time to decrease after going off gear if they develop this side effect. It's not permanent, but if you don't come off the gear and stay off for an extended period of time, you're going to have to get used to dealing with the facial hair for a very long time. I used to have long, dark, thick hair and lots of it. After 2 years of HRT (also cancer prevention), which consisted of 250mg of test cyp weekly, my hair started thinning and shedding. Cycles that I have done on my own when preparing for powerlifting meets increased the shedding and hairloss. I still have quite a bit of my hair left, but I have a receding hairline and thinning to the point where it's noticeable. Luckily I don't have bald spots, but I am taking dutasteride to stop the shedding and help regrow my hair. I struggled with this side effect. At first it didn't seem to bad, but it reached a point where I was being called "Sir" or "Dude" when going to public places, even when wearing makeup. I had dealt with hairloss before, but it all grew back quickly after chemotherapy for ovarian cancer. Being on gear for a long period of time will not grow the hair back. The conversion of testosterone to DHT is what causes the hairloss and thinning. My husband and I discussed the options I had to take care of my hair. We had considered hair extensions, weaves, and wigs. After some research and discussions with my oncologist, he suggested taking finasteride and had prescribed it to me along with minoxidil. After a year of both, it didn't help. Finally, through research of my own, I learned about dutasteride and its promising effects on women post-menopause with androgenetic alopecia. My doctors weren't willing to prescribe it since it hasn't been approved for use in women at the time, still don't think it is, so I got a hold of it through a domestic online source who also provide peptides. I have been using it for several months and it has been helping quite a bit. I've noticed some regrowth in my hairline and some thickening of my existing hair. The shedding has stopped, so that's even better. The reason for this decision was, we didn't want to take the option of coming off the HRT/cancer prevention. Life is still more important than my hair and my husband and I don't want me to have another relapse. We decided that if all else fails, I do the Sinead O'Connor and get a wig of his choice. LOL!! The changes to my body and face that I experienced were loss of breast fat, loss of bodyfat, increase in muscle mass and stronger jawline (although not prominent, I still noticed a difference). There are some women who are very lucky and get away with still looking very feminine throughout cycles and even after many cycles of gear. But changes will occur through long term use and I believe a woman needs to understand and be prepared to deal with this should she choose to use gear for long periods of time. My husband and I didn't have fond experiences with HGH, I guess you could call us "pussies" for not enjoying the carpal tunnel side effects. So we didn't have to worry about the possibility of developing acromegalia. However, I have seen a rare few women develop this condition through long term GH use and the changes they go through are permanent, there's no hope to change or mitigate them once they're done. Prime example - Nicole Bass. Even without GH use, there are still some masculinizing changes that a woman's face and body will experience through long term AAS use. I'm afraid facial changes are permanent and only a very few surgical procedures can help to change that. So ladies, don't take this as me trying to "scare" you into not using AAS. That is your decision and a personal choice only you can make. I just want to make you aware of very real possibilities depending on what you choose to do and how you decide to do it. 
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08-19-2010, 12:28 PM
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08-19-2010, 05:41 PM
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good post. 250mg a week test cyp is definitely enough to cause some masculinazation. Was a dose that high used to thwart off cancer? My trt dose is only 150mg a week.
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08-20-2010, 01:56 PM
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Yes it is. Typical HRT is anywhere between 25-50mg/week for most women. Stage II ovarian cancer and worse has the protocol of 250mg/week for remission patients - at least that's what my oncologist and several others I have sought opinions on have said. I still have my left ovary and even though the tube is tied, the purpose of keeping it is for estrogen production. My testosterone production is nearly absent. Not sure why, but they said it's very possible even with unilateral oopherectomies.
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08-20-2010, 08:01 PM
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ive noticed it does change the facial structure of all the BB women ive seen that competed. Some still stay pretty feminine looking though. I saw this video on youtube and figured id post it. Id LOVE to be her oil guy at her competitions. The video is old so idk what she looks like these days though
YouTube - Christine Roth SexyBeast)))))
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08-21-2010, 08:49 AM
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 I think women like men get a bigger jaw line from eating all the time.
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08-21-2010, 12:53 PM
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Yeah, unfortunately, it's gear use that changes the facial structure a bit. Some worse than others and few lucky ones can stay feminine looking. You'll hear a lot of people say that it's the cutting cycle and drying out period that makes a woman's face look sunken in and have their facial bone structure more prominent, but that's just an excuse and probably adds to it - gear still changes it because it makes the bone more dense and the face is no exception unfortunately.
Christine is very pretty and has good balance to her composition. She has a good strong core, so I don't think that's distention in her belly. It's tough for women who have long torsos to get a good nice v-taper like that.
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08-21-2010, 01:02 PM
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Take a look at the difference in Daniela Sell's face and hair between 2005 and 2010:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...6&d=1114725149 http://lh6.ggpht.com/_CIHka6IrIRg/Rp...122_375lo.jpeg It may not be noticeable right away, but if look closely - her facial structure did become more prominent and her hairline receded more as well.
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08-21-2010, 01:28 PM
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08-21-2010, 06:14 PM
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08-23-2010, 09:15 AM
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LOL!!! I have no idea what her age is or was to tell you the truth. But you're right, she looks like she aged in just a few years.
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08-23-2010, 01:49 PM
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LMAO!!!! Yeah, but who would call who Daddy? LOL!!!!
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08-24-2010, 07:34 AM
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08-24-2010, 10:42 AM
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08-24-2010, 01:30 PM
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He's right, she'll experience loss of bodyfat, hardening, increase in muscle mass (but not extreme like pro bb'ers) as long as her diet and training is paid attention to. Low dose anavar should be pretty safe. Anavar is very mild in androgenic activity and is usually the preferred "safe" choice to avoid unwanted side effects. Just be careful with winstrol. If it's oral form, I'd start her out 5-10mg eod and see how she reacts to it. In oral and injectable, it's fast acting so if she were to experience any negative side effects from it, it would happen right away, usually the following day after taking it. If it's injectable, keep it to about 25mg eod and same method of observation. Try not to go more than 20mg in oral form - drop the dosage down if her clit starts to swell up (unless you two like that).
Women are more sensitive to AAS, so when it comes to joint dryness, she may start to experience that 4-5 weeks on winny. Also, winstrol is a DHT derivative, so if she has a proneness to losing hair or hair thinning, this compound may accelerate that if she uses it for a long period of time. It's a great compound for women to use for short cycles at low dose, especially when cutting or trying to stay lean when adding mass if stacked with something else like var. It won't bloat her and might even boost the libido a little bit.
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