Ephedrine Hcl

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So I was trying to come up with an alternative to T3 by itself today and started researching ECA stacks. There are a lot of companies out there marketing "Ephedra Extract (leaves)" as the active ingredient in their product. This "extract" is, based upon my research, a useless ingredient. The active fat burning ingredients in the old ephedra products were the ephedra alkoloids. The main alkoloid being ephedrine hcl. I also discovered that although it's illegal in the US to market ephedrine hcl in weight loss products it is not illegal to use it for asthma. There are shipping and dosage restrictions based on where you live though. Many states have no restriction. I found a website that sells pure ephedrine hcl. It is Web hosting, domain name registration and web services by 1&1 Internet and you can find it at the top left. There is a product there listed as a thermogenic but it uses 375mg of ephedra to get 30mg of ephedrine. That's a lot of ephedra. It would be much better and probably safer to use the pure ephedrine hcl and get your own caffeine and aspirin. I found an article @ Ephedrine Hydrochloride Profile that describes an ideal stack of 10mg ephedrine and 100mg caffeine every 2 hours rather than twice that dose every four hours for a more effective result. It didn't mention aspirin so I guess you would just pop an aspirin with each dose. The aspirin is to stop the body's natural inflammatory response to the stimulants sparing it's effectiveness. Hope somebody finds this interesting cause I definitely did.

5/27/10 UPDATE: It has come to our attention that there is a problem with the energyreload site so if you cannot get to the site, that is why.

[T-4S]

I'm gonna check into this...excellent post brother. Believe it or not, I have never done an ECA stack. Always thought about it...but never tried. You've peaked my interest...gonna have to check it out for a summer run!

T-4S

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Originally Posted by T-4S

I'm gonna check into this...excellent post brother. Believe it or not, I have never done an ECA stack. Always thought about it...but never tried. You've peaked my interest...gonna have to check it out for a summer run!

T-4S

If you don't trust that site I listed you can do what I did and order Primatene tablets on Amazon real cheap. Each one has 12.5mg of Ephedrine Hcl in it. I got 120 for $30. I picked up coated baby aspirin (81mg). I couldn't find 100mg caffeine pills so I got the 200's. The whole stack was like $39 total and it's real not like that bs in the stores and on supplement sites that costs more than that.

[b-real]

The eca stack is far superior to clen. It can be dangerous if you keep increasing the ephidrine, which you will want to because the sides begin to wear off and you fell like you're not getting the same thermogenic effect. But you really are as long as you cycle on and off. One thing I will warn you of is it will shrink your muscles a bit and make you thirsty all day long. Although its a bronchillator helping to open airways it somehow decreases oxygen to muscle tissue. But hands down, if all you care about is shedding fat this is the way to go. Way better on the heart then clen and you dont have to worry about who is right with the thyroid issue and t3.

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Originally Posted by b-real

The eca stack is far superior to clen. It can be dangerous if you keep increasing the ephidrine, which you will want to because the sides begin to wear off and you fell like you're not getting the same thermogenic effect. But you really are as long as you cycle on and off. One thing I will warn you of is it will shrink your muscles a bit and make you thirsty all day long. Although its a bronchillator helping to open airways it somehow decreases oxygen to muscle tissue. But hands down, if all you care about is shedding fat this is the way to go. Way better on the heart then clen and you dont have to worry about who is right with the thyroid issue and t3.

I read a very convincing article that said there is no need to cycle at all and that the more you use it the more thermogenic effect you get. People think it's wearing off because the stimulant effect diminishes so they feel like it's not working anymore but it is. I also read that Ephedrine can actually preserve muscle mass. Who knows. There's 2 sides to everything. I'll try to find that article and post it.

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Here is that article. Read up. http://www.ironmag.com/archive/ironm...ca_cycling.htm

[b-real]

Interesting article. I especially like the explanation of the brown fat because this suggests that after long term use it will focus more on the receptors in problem areas like lower gut, lovehandles, and ass and legs for women. The info I read was in a muscle-media mag about 10 yrs ago so apparently its a little outdated.

[DBOY]

great article break, ive also never heard of eca stack, definately worth checking out.... keep us updated on how this works for u......

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Originally Posted by DBOY

great article break, ive also never heard of eca stack, definately worth checking out.... keep us updated on how this works for u......

Will do. I have the CA, just waiting on the E. I should have it within a week. I may only be able to take it for a week & a 1/2 at first because I may be getting drug tested towards the end of March and Ephedrine can turn up a false positive for amphetamines. But after that it's full speed ahead.

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Originally Posted by b-real

Interesting article. I especially like the explanation of the brown fat because this suggests that after long term use it will focus more on the receptors in problem areas like lower gut, lovehandles, and ass and legs for women. The info I read was in a muscle-media mag about 10 yrs ago so apparently its a little outdated.

This is my most problematic area in terms of fat storing lol. It's the first place it goes and the last place it leaves.

[huskie2020]

hey bro great post i too was trying to look in to the ephedrine stack but dont fully understand how it works and the dosagesand the safty of course.

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Originally Posted by huskie2020

hey bro great post i too was trying to look in to the ephedrine stack but dont fully understand how it works and the dosagesand the safty of course.

Thanks man. I hope it helped.

[admin]

I have a buddy here in canada that sells ephedrine. I think he ships to the US, not sure of the prices though. PM me if you want me to look into it.

[Oxman]

If thats the same guy I got mine from it is the real deal, great stuff but you need the caffine tabs to go with it

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I just got my delivery of Primatene tablets (came much faster than I expected ) so I'm going to start with 12.5mg Ephedrine, 100mg Caffeine, 81mg Aspirin every 2 hours 4 times a day. I'll keep this thread updated to log my results.

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What I can say after just the first dose is that you definitely need to consume lots of water. I got a headache shortly after taking the dose and cured it with about 48oz's h2o. No problem, just have to maintain hydration. It didn't make me jittery but I didn't expect it too because I'm already used to taking Clenbuterol and Caffeine so....

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So I know of 2 sites that sell ephedrine hcl and they are www.sndcanada.com and www.energyreload.net. When you google SND ephedrine, it takes you to energyreload. sndcanada also shows up in the search results. The prices seem a little better on sndcanada but they are for 8mg tabs where as on energyreload the tabs are 10mg. The sndcanada site has a geotrust badge which is usally a good sign and the energyreload site has the goetrust and mcafee secure insignias. Don't know if it's the same company or not. Anybody have any insight on this?

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after further research, it appears www.sndcanada.com seems to only ship within Canada. However, www.sndonline.net is a site which directs you to www.energyreload.net which ships to the states. These tabs seem like a better way to take ephedrine as opposed to taking the Primatene tabs which contain Guifenesin. Guafenesin has been known to cause kidney stones in prolonged high doses but the Primatene is way cheaper than the pure ephedrine tabs. They're about half the price. So far, I feel much better on ECA than I did on T3/Clen. My eyes aren't blood shot. I don't feel anxious and run down. I feel great actually and have more energy than I have in a while.

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So I definitely like ECA way better than T3/Clen. I feel so vibrant and full of energy. It puts me in a really good mood and I feel happy on it. I also, with the help of one of our brothers, confirmed that sndonline.net (which transfers you to energyreload.net to place the order) is legit and the prices are very fair.

[apython]

you can get bronkaid at any drug store. It has 25mg of ephedrine 24 tabs for about 6 bucks. You have to get it from the pharmacist and show ID.

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Originally Posted by apython

you can get bronkaid at any drug store. It has 25mg of ephedrine 24 tabs for about 6 bucks. You have to get it from the pharmacist and show ID.

Primatene is better because it has ephedrine hcl and bronkaid has the less effective ephedrine sulfate. I'm going with pure ephedrine hcl next order because I read that too much guafenesin can lead to kidney stones. Plus I got Primatene shipped to my door in 3 days without showing I.D.

[apython]

Originally Posted by breakthrough

Primatene is better because it has ephedrine hcl and bronkaid has the less effective ephedrine sulfate. I'm going with pure ephedrine hcl next order because I read that too much guafenesin can lead to kidney stones. Plus I got Primatene shipped to my door in 3 days without showing I.D.

I didn't know ephedrine sulfate was less effective. I do know that it works very well. Most drug stores sell primatine as well. I would rather have the pure stuff also but it is convenient to just run to CVS. Can you link to where you read about the kidney stones issue.

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Originally Posted by apython

I didn't know ephedrine sulfate was less effective. I do know that it works very well. Most drug stores sell primatine as well. I would rather have the pure stuff also but it is convenient to just run to CVS. Can you link to where you read about the kidney stones issue.

I'm not a chemist, these are just things I've read. I have never seen ephedrine sulfate for sale by itself but if you notice, most (all that I've seen) sites selling ephedrine are selling the hydrochloride version. I would assume there is a significant reason for this. I personally do not like going to the pharmacy to ask for something that is very well known to be used for purposes other than what it's marketed for but that's just me. Here is the link that mentions the kidney stones. It does say it's rare, but considering how painful people say passing stones is, I'd rather not take the chance and will be giving www.energyreload.net a shot. Anyway here is the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guaifenesin

[alaski]

The difference between sulfate and hcl is the size of the salt molecule...I think. Sulfate being a larger of the two results in less percentage of ephedrine/dose. I believe the base is gassed with a sulfuric acid which bonds to the ephedrine molecule. With the HCL it is gassed with hydrochloric acid thus the HCL salt is bonded to the ephedrine. Therefore the strength of dose is probably the only difference. It's sort of like the long esters vs the shorter esters in percentage of hormone/ml.

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Originally Posted by alaski

The difference between sulfate and hcl is the size of the salt molecule...I think. Sulfate being a larger of the two results in less percentage of ephedrine/dose. I believe the base is gassed with a sulfuric acid which bonds to the ephedrine molecule. With the HCL it is gassed with hydrochloric acid thus the HCL salt is bonded to the ephedrine. Therefore the strength of dose is probably the only difference. It's sort of like the long esters vs the shorter esters in percentage of hormone/ml.

Makes sense.