Saw Palmetto

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I read this about Saw Palmetto and was surprised:

"By blocking the binding of dihydrotestosterone (DHT) to androgen receptors, Saw Palmetto prevents the conversion of excess testosterone into estrogen. This ''anti-aromatase'' feature is important to athletes using pro-hormones to elevate their testosterone levels for increased lean muscle mass. Saw Palmetto also is the most popular herbal supplement for the promotion of prostrate health and normal urinary flow in men. Nature's Way standardized extracts are technically and scientifically advanced herbal products. Standardization of an extract assures specific measureable levels of the important compounds that give the products their beneficial activity in the body. "

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Nobody has any input on this? C'mon guys.

[WetWorks]

I already knew saw palmetto is good for you.

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Originally Posted by WetWorks

I already knew saw palmetto is good for you.

I can always count on you WW for a response lol. I new it had prostate benefits but never heard anything about it having anti-aromitase abilities.

[WetWorks]

I knew it effected your DHT and in turn it should affect your estrogen too.

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Originally Posted by WetWorks

I knew it effected your DHT and in turn it should affect your estrogen too.

Positively or negatively?

[Replicator]

Originally Posted by breakthrough

Nobody has any input on this? C'mon guys.

Okay but you might not like it LOL

Saw Palmetto Is Garbage -Roger Mason
Saw palmetto is useless. For years now we've been explaining why saw palmetto, Pygeum africanum, nettles, and similar herbs do not work, have no therapeutic effect, do not help prostate health in any way, and are mere promotional scams. Yet, men keep buying countless millions of dollars worth of saw palmetto and other such worthless products every year.

Almost every chain drug store, natural food store, vitamin catalog, and Internet health site sells a saw palmetto product. No matter where you go you see saw palmetto, Pygeum africanum and other herbal prostate products sold. All of them are equally worthless. In my book The Natural Prostate Cure it is explained why they have no value at all- there's nothing in them. The active ingredient is the beta-sitosterol complex. This includes beta-sitosterol, campesterol, stigmasterol, and brassicasterol. In the trade all these are simply called "beta-sitosterol" or even "phytosterols", which means sterols from plants. Sterols are steroid alcohols by the way.

Beta-sitosterol is literally three thousand time stronger than saw palmetto powder. This means you would have to eat three thousand capsules of saw palmetto powder to get one single capsule of beta-sitosterol. Scientific fact. What about the extracts, one might ask? The very, very best saw palmetto extracts are only ten to one extractions, so you would still need to eat 300 capsules of saw palmetto extract every day. Notice what they say on the extract bottles, "contains 85% fatty acids and sterols". This means you get 99% fatty acids and maybe 1% sterols- if you're lucky.

So, where do you get beta-sitosterol? The three main sources for getting these mixed sterols inexpensively by the ton are, 1) sugar cane pulp after the sugar has been extracted, 2) soybeans after several other valuable ingredients (isoflavones, vitamin E, lecithin, etc.) have been extracted, and 3) pine oil after it has been processed for other products.

Want proof of how useless saw palmetto and Pygeum africanum are? Here is a typical study right from the Gazzetta Chimica Italiana (v 118, 1988). Chemists at the University of Milan extracted saw palmetto berries and submitted them to very extensive analysis. They basically found common fatty acids like we find in our everyday foods. They found very minor amounts of carotenoids, alcohols, polysaccharides, and a tiny, tiny bit of beta-sitosterol complex. In fact they found a mere one part in 5,000 of mixed sterols, or only one fiftieth of one per cent. This is one part in five thousand folks. You would have to eat 5,000 capsules to get less than 500 mg of beta-sitosterols from their analysis.

You need a good 300 mg dose of beta-sitosterol daily to support good prostate health or to help normalize your cholesterol levels. You can double this if you have a more serious condition. Puritan's Pride sells beta-sitosterol as "Phytosterol Complex", but they refuse to tell you what a “serving” is. Moducare® sells a mere 30 mg of beta-sitosterol, and has the nerve to charge $29.95 for it. This means you would have to eat ten capsules a day. Life Extinction- as you would expect- sells a variety of saw palmetto products and refuses to sell pure beta-sitosterol.

The real problem with selling garbage like saw palmetto products is they mislead people. A man with BPH (prostate enlargement) or prostatitis may take saw palmetto to avoid the horrors of surgery, toxic drugs, impotence, and wearing diapers. He takes saw palmetto for a few months, gets worse, decides that natural medicine is a fraud, and goes back to his family doctor. Men should take this as part of a comprehensive program for all prostate conditions. There are published clinical studies that indicate beta-sitosterol is also a very powerful supplement for breast, colon, and prostate cancers.



There's always debate about everthing
REP

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Originally Posted by Replicator

Okay but you might not like it LOL

Saw Palmetto Is Garbage -Roger Mason
Saw palmetto is useless. For years now we've been explaining why saw palmetto, Pygeum africanum, nettles, and similar herbs do not work, have no therapeutic effect, do not help prostate health in any way, and are mere promotional scams. Yet, men keep buying countless millions of dollars worth of saw palmetto and other such worthless products every year.

Almost every chain drug store, natural food store, vitamin catalog, and Internet health site sells a saw palmetto product. No matter where you go you see saw palmetto, Pygeum africanum and other herbal prostate products sold. All of them are equally worthless. In my book The Natural Prostate Cure it is explained why they have no value at all- there's nothing in them. The active ingredient is the beta-sitosterol complex. This includes beta-sitosterol, campesterol, stigmasterol, and brassicasterol. In the trade all these are simply called "beta-sitosterol" or even "phytosterols", which means sterols from plants. Sterols are steroid alcohols by the way.

Beta-sitosterol is literally three thousand time stronger than saw palmetto powder. This means you would have to eat three thousand capsules of saw palmetto powder to get one single capsule of beta-sitosterol. Scientific fact. What about the extracts, one might ask? The very, very best saw palmetto extracts are only ten to one extractions, so you would still need to eat 300 capsules of saw palmetto extract every day. Notice what they say on the extract bottles, "contains 85% fatty acids and sterols". This means you get 99% fatty acids and maybe 1% sterols- if you're lucky.

So, where do you get beta-sitosterol? The three main sources for getting these mixed sterols inexpensively by the ton are, 1) sugar cane pulp after the sugar has been extracted, 2) soybeans after several other valuable ingredients (isoflavones, vitamin E, lecithin, etc.) have been extracted, and 3) pine oil after it has been processed for other products.

Want proof of how useless saw palmetto and Pygeum africanum are? Here is a typical study right from the Gazzetta Chimica Italiana (v 118, 1988). Chemists at the University of Milan extracted saw palmetto berries and submitted them to very extensive analysis. They basically found common fatty acids like we find in our everyday foods. They found very minor amounts of carotenoids, alcohols, polysaccharides, and a tiny, tiny bit of beta-sitosterol complex. In fact they found a mere one part in 5,000 of mixed sterols, or only one fiftieth of one per cent. This is one part in five thousand folks. You would have to eat 5,000 capsules to get less than 500 mg of beta-sitosterols from their analysis.

You need a good 300 mg dose of beta-sitosterol daily to support good prostate health or to help normalize your cholesterol levels. You can double this if you have a more serious condition. Puritan's Pride sells beta-sitosterol as "Phytosterol Complex", but they refuse to tell you what a “serving” is. Moducare® sells a mere 30 mg of beta-sitosterol, and has the nerve to charge $29.95 for it. This means you would have to eat ten capsules a day. Life Extinction- as you would expect- sells a variety of saw palmetto products and refuses to sell pure beta-sitosterol.

The real problem with selling garbage like saw palmetto products is they mislead people. A man with BPH (prostate enlargement) or prostatitis may take saw palmetto to avoid the horrors of surgery, toxic drugs, impotence, and wearing diapers. He takes saw palmetto for a few months, gets worse, decides that natural medicine is a fraud, and goes back to his family doctor. Men should take this as part of a comprehensive program for all prostate conditions. There are published clinical studies that indicate beta-sitosterol is also a very powerful supplement for breast, colon, and prostate cancers.



There's always debate about everthing
REP

So are you an advocate of beta-sitosterol then? I want to supplement with something prostate oriented to see if it helps with my somewhat frequent urination during sleeping hours. You can get beta-sitosterol capsules anywhere. Any idea on doses?

[WetWorks]

Originally Posted by breakthrough

So are you an advocate of beta-sitosterol then? I want to supplement with something prostate oriented to see if it helps with my somewhat frequent urination during sleeping hours. You can get beta-sitosterol capsules anywhere. Amy idea on doses?

have you been checked to see if your diabetic?

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Originally Posted by WetWorks

have you been checked to see if your diabetic?

Wouldn't I know if I was a diabetic? I don't consume any sugar at all....wouldn't that be detrimental to a diabetic?

[WetWorks]

Originally Posted by breakthrough

Wouldn't I know if I was a diabetic? I don't consume any sugar at all....wouldn't that be detrimental to a diabetic?

it can creep up on you. diabetics piss a lot, so that it a sign. not saying you are but that is a symptom. carbs are sugar and you love carbs lol

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Originally Posted by breakthrough

Wouldn't I know if I was a diabetic? I don't consume any sugar at all....wouldn't that be detrimental to a diabetic?

Not necessarily.

I piss 2-3 times a nite im definitely not diabetic, im just old...lol

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Originally Posted by WetWorks

it can creep up on you. diabetics piss a lot, so that it a sign. not saying you are but that is a symptom. carbs are sugar and you love carbs lol

I've been on keto for a week and still wake up 2-3 times a night to piss.

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Originally Posted by supy1962

not necessarily.

I piss 2-3 times a nite im definitely not diabetic, im just old...lol

lol.

[WetWorks]

Originally Posted by breakthrough

I've been on keto for a week and still wake up 2-3 times a night to piss.

wasn't thinking about ketosis, but that is probably why.

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Originally Posted by WetWorks

wasn't thinking about ketosis, but that is probably why.

What is probably why?

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Originally Posted by breakthrough

So are you an advocate of beta-sitosterol then? I want to supplement with something prostate oriented to see if it helps with my somewhat frequent urination during sleeping hours. You can get beta-sitosterol capsules anywhere. Any idea on doses?

I dont know

Originally Posted by supy1962

Not necessarily.
I piss 2-3 times a nite im definitely not diabetic, im just old...lol

Me too

rep

[WetWorks]

Originally Posted by breakthrough

What is probably why?

ketosis, I believe ketosis makes you go pee more. unless you have had this issue for a while than I would take saw palmetto or that other stuff. I take 6 to 8 pills of saw palmetto extract a day until your issue is fixed or take 300 mg of beta-sitosterol a day.

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Originally Posted by WetWorks

ketosis, I believe ketosis makes you go pee more. unless you have had this issue for a while than I would take saw palmetto or that other stuff. I take 6 to 8 pills of saw palmetto extract a day until your issue is fixed or take 300 mg of beta-sitosterol a day.

I've had the pee issue for years.

[WetWorks]

Originally Posted by breakthrough

I've had the pee issue for years.

maybe you just have a small bladder?

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Originally Posted by WetWorks

maybe you just have a small bladder?

Maybe you have a small penis???? J/K lol.

[WetWorks]

Originally Posted by breakthrough

Maybe you have a small penis???? J/K lol.

lol SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

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Originally Posted by WetWorks

lol SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Don't worry, it probably looks huge next to those raisins you call testicles hahaha lol J/K.

[WetWorks]

Originally Posted by breakthrough

Don't worry, it probably looks huge next to those raisins you call testicles hahaha lol J/K.

now you know why I don't mind the raisin nuts

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Originally Posted by WetWorks

now you know why I don't mind the raisin nuts

Because they taste good right?