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Old 09-27-2007, 05:29 PM
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Found this useful info on Helios:

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Helios was originally developed by an idea from the legendary body-building guru Dan Duchaine. Generic Supplements is selling this extremely potent solution on the bodybuilding market. The ingredients (Clenbuterol and Yohimbine HCL) are forbidden in almost every country, as well as administration via injection. This is only allowed by a doctor or medical trained nurse. But this form of administration is also the best way for spot reduction.

The art of spot reduction.

When you begin a diet, you may notice that you lose fat very unevenly on your body. The areas you don't wish to concentrate your fat loss seem to be most responsive to the restriction of calories. On the other hand, the areas you desire to shed fat seem to be unaffected by the diet. In women, the breasts may be shrinking, while the lower body remains as fat as it was. In men, even if the waist is getting smaller, the abs are not getting any more visible. Why put your body through a tough and often unhealthy diet if unwanted inches of fat remain? What we want is a specifically targeted fat loss, but we are told that spot reduction is impossible! Is this true?

Rather than an overall and even fat reduction, the weight loss will be more "spot specific". Popular belief is that we can not spot reduce fat. This is however a myth, because the human body does, but unfortunately it doesn't necessarily do it in the places we wish it to. What we have to do, is to redirect the fat destruction in areas we want to shrink rather than everywhere else. Please realise that your abs are not covered by that much fat. Imagine if one could concentrate the fat loss exclusively in that particular area. It is the same thing for the women who could easily lose their lower body fat by strictly concentrating the fat reduction there.

Best sites for application as mentioned above are the triceps, "love handles", thighs, gluteus and the "saddle bags" or waist (basically any area that has fat accumulation). These areas will vary from person to person, though the above listed are the most common. The fat that fails to disappear even through a strict diet is called "stubborn fat". Typically, so called stubborn fat is estrogenic by nature, however some people just have high numbers of A2 receptors. The A2 receptor is highly influenced by oestrogen if you are a women, and if you have estrogenic fat patterns you most likely have large numbers of A2 receptors.

Yohimbine HCL

The reason why 'Yohimbine hcl' is included in Helios is that it binds to the A2 receptor and blocks Norepinephrine(and other A2 agonist including oestrogen) from binding to, and antagonizing it (which inhibits the release of fatty acids). It thus allows for fatty acids to be "burned", hence the stubborn fat will be lost. These two ingredients, Yohimbine and clenbuterol , ‘speed up’ the metabolism of the injected area and provoke a chemical reaction that change fat cells into fatty acids, which will slip through cell membranes and into the bloodstream to be burned. If you don’t burn the freed fatty acids through a firm aerobic workout, your body will store them again in fatty deposits.

Side effects which may occur are loss of appetite, tremors, dizziness, nervousness, restlessness, irregular heart beat, nausea, excessive sweating, diarrhoea and it is also possible to experience other complications due to the weight, or body fat percentage loss that results from its use.

Why do we spot reduce upside down naturally?

There are two main mediators of fat mobilization. One consists of the circulating hormones such as norepinephrine. They stumble upon fat stores by chance, and will do little to spot reduce. By using oral clenbuterol, we increase the circulation of those lipolytic factors, but we do not truly redirect spot reduction the way we wish to. The chances are, we accentuate the spot reduction in the wrong places. The second pathway is far more interesting. All our adipose stores are innervated by the nervous system a bit like our muscles are. In other words, our brain is directly related to each of our adipose depots. Through the nervous system, the brain can then send neurotransmitters in whatever depot it wishes. Those neurotransmitters (epinephrine and norepinephrine) happen to be the main direct lipolytic hormones. It means that potentially our brain possesses the ability to allow us to spot reduce at will, by sending fat loss mediators in very specific depots. The problem is we do not know how to redirect our brain efforts to help us spot reduce. This is why we spot reduce in the wrong areas: i.e. the places the brain local efforts are the most intense versus the places were it is the laziest.

So, if the brain does not wish to send enough fat loss hormones to the specific areas we want to get rid of, we can do it ourselves by locally injecting those hormones. This way, we can redirect lipolysis where we wish to. It is now possible to spot reduce at will! Whenever I say this, people will get over excited, believing that a single subcutaneous injection will immediately destroy all the fat present. This is not the case as other anti-lipolytic forces are also at play to prevent that. But after a month of local injections plus a proper diet, you will clearly see that those formerly resistant areas are not as hard to get rid of as before. Fat loss will be more evenly distributed, which will indirectly spare muscle mass. In effect, with a classical diet, when you have lost most of your fat except that around the waist, what do you do? Diet harder which translates into an intense muscle cannibalization and a minimal eradication of the waist's fat. By using local injections, this classical suicidal period can be avoided.

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Helios is available in 50 ml and 20 ml (1) Clean the rubber septum of the vial with an alcohol swab and stick the needle through the septum. Turn the vial upside down, and inject as much air as you want to pull out, this to prevent a vacuum. Pull the top of the needle in the fluid and pull out as much fluid as you and your buddy need (2). Inject the fluid in a sterile container (cleaned with alcohol too) (3), or suck the fluid directly from the big syringe into the insulin pin, after removing the needle. Suck the fluid into a insulin syringe (4). All individuals should use their own pin. The pins can be stored in a tupperware box in the refrigerator and used about three days, you’ll notice it when they become less sharp. The Helios itself should be stored in a cool dark place too, preferably a refrigerator, as well.

How to proceed?

Idealistically, you have a training buddy or friend that wants to loose fat the same way. The first time you use Helios is comparable with the first time you used coffee. The active ingredient in coffee (caffeine) gives the same effects as clenbuterol, it makes you sweat, nervous and your heartbeat increases. This off course is dose dependant, and each individual will be different. Your body will quickly adapt to the use of Helios, and allow you to raise the used doses. Start with two to four shots with a very low dose (we suggest 40 iu - 0,4 ml) on the same place on the left- and right side of your body. If you handle it well, increase the dosages possibly through several shots spread locally over the fat area. This will allow you to cover a larger fat area with a single injection. The fat loss drugs are more evenly spread on the "to be destroyed" area. Try to hit different parts of the deposit each time so that every fat cell gets abbreviated with some adipose destructor. Ideally, this should be done first thing in the morning on an empty stomach before aerobic training. Once you are used to it, you can drink one or two cups of coffee between the injections and the aerobic workout. This will amplify the effect of the Helios. Understand that the injections will only force the local fat to leave its adipose reserve and to pass in the blood. Fat molecules have not been destroyed yet. The aerobic training has to take care of that (along with the help of the night time fast). Some also use appetite suppressants like Meridia or thyroid hormones.
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Old 09-27-2007, 05:35 PM
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And another one:

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Helios specifically contains a mixture of clenbuterol hcl and yohimbine hcl, a
potent beta agonist and alpha
antagonist respectively. These two drugs are present in a concentration of
40mcg/mL (clenbuterol) and
5.4mg/mL (yohimbine), a balanced and appropriately dosed mixture for
bodybuilding use. Clenbuterol and
yohimbine work to promote fat loss through the same system(androgenic), however
they exert their effects
through very distinct(but complementary) mechanisms. Clenbuterol, of course, is
a potent beta-2 agoinst,
which directly and strongly stimulaters lipolysis very much in the same way as
ephedrine does(though it is
more selctive in its actions). Yohimbine hcl is alpha-2 receptor antagonist,
which also promotes fat loss
mainly by blocking the activity of other chemicals in the body.

Helios is a drug therapy medication specifically designed for the body building
community. Based on a system
which was originally a medical technique devised in 1952 by Dr Michel Pistor.
Similar in effect to
phosphatidylcholine solution but without the associated expense of this
medication which is commonly used in
plastic surgery. Helios unlike phosphatidylcholine requires a frequent injection
protocol. Whereas the
pharmaceutical grade phosphatidylcholine solution, can be injected at up to 2
week intervals, helios due to
it’s clenbuterol base should be injected at least every second day. This is not
very suitable for most
cosmetic surgery patients.

Also known as “fat melt” or “Non-Surgical Fat Dissolve,” drug therapy, offers the
patient an alternative to
surgery. THis therapy is an injection therapy which can be injected into the
subderm which is the layer of
fat under the skin. The medications that are used in drug therapy melt the fat
beneath the skin and shrink
the fat cells in the scarpa fascia layer - some times resulting in a temporary
tough feel to the skin local
to the injection site . The fat dissolves and, as occurs when fat is broken down
during typical weight loss,
is carried through the bloodstream and excreted by kidneys and bowel.

This therapy involves injecting small amounts of medication immediatley beneath
the surface of the skin to
break down the fat and cellulite and to improve circulation and lymphatic and
venous drainage.

The drug HELIOS specifically contains a mixture of clenbuterol hcl
and yohimbine hcl, a potent
beta agonist and alpha antagonist respectively. These two drugs are present in a
concentration of 40mcg/mL
(clenbuterol) and 5mg/mL (yohimbine). Clenbuterol and yohimbine work to promote
fat loss through the same
system (androgenic), however they exert their effects through very distinct (but
complementary) mechanisms.
Clenbuterol, is a potent beta-2 agoinst, which directly and strongly stimulates
lipolysis very much in the
same way as ephedrine does. Yohimbine hcl is alpha-2 receptor antagonist, which
also promotes fat loss
mainly by blocking the activity of other chemicals in the body. The combined
effect is to explode the fat
cells and release the triglicerides into the blood stream for the body to
dispose of naturally. Aerobic
exercise will increase the removal of these triglicerides by increasing the
portion of “good” cholesterol in
the blood stream. It should be noted that exercise is not totally necessary but
it will increase the rate of
localised fat loss.

The combination of clenbuterol and yohimbine in helios has the added benefit of
aiding overall fat loss –
something that the more expensive phosphatidylcholine based products do not. The
down side to this is, as
stated above is the frequency of administration which is not at all suited to
general cosmetic surgery

Approximately 20-30 minutes post injection the patient may notice some redness,
slight bruising, or
experience a stinging sensation, but rarely are the treatments painful. These
are natural inflammatory
reactions to the emulsion and dispersion of fat, signifying the procedure is
successful. Bruises are seldom.
The fat tissue is broken down by the body through natural processes and then

Noticeable localised reductions in fat can be seen within 2 weeks even when the
injection frequency is
limited to every second day. Dramatic fat losses are possible with a daily 1 ml
injection protocol or with
doses greater than 1ml every second day. Doses as high as 5ml per day are
commonly used in the body building
community. However, this is not to be recommended due to the extreme clenbuterol
related side effects that
can occur at such doses.

Last edited by Action; 09-27-2007 at 05:38 PM.
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Old 09-27-2007, 05:40 PM
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good post action. do you think this is still all hype?
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Old 09-27-2007, 05:59 PM
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Nice info, thanks for posting
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Old 09-27-2007, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by tom123 View Post
good post action. do you think this is still all hype?
Been reading a lot on it...It seems like most of the feedback I've seen on it is positive...
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Old 09-29-2007, 09:26 AM
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Default Fat reduction with Helios and T3

A good fat reduction program with Helios and T3:

Their are two bottles one is yohimbine hcl and clen, the other bottle is
t-3.It is a two part system. The ratio is in one bottle (100cc bottle) you
have 40mcg of clen with yohimbine hcl 5.4mg per cc, in the second 100cc
bottle you have 25mcg/cc of T3.
you can shoot 1 ml three days a week or ED. Some people may do it 3 times a
day. The T3 can be taken orally and the yohimbine /Clen should be injected
subq on the place you want to loose fat, the liquid presses the fat
(triglycerides) out off the lipocytes (fatcells) into the blood, and you'll
have to burn it with aerobic training after the injections.

In a issue of Muscle Media 2000, in the October 1996 issue, "Steroid Guru"
Dan Duchaine presents an article titled "Lower Body Fat." In this piece Dan
recalls the plight of a female bodybuilding friend who found it impossible
to lose fat in her below-the-waste region. No matter what she did - from
exercise to drugs to steroids to near starvation - none of her strategies
yielded success.
Then, in a section subtitled "You Know About Beta Agonists, But ... How
About Alpha2 Blocker?," Duchaine lays it on the line. Ephedrine stimulates
adrenoreceptors, but only those of the beta class. Among the three members
of this class beta1 signals for fat mobilization while beta2 and beta3
concern themselves with the generation of thermogenic activity in the
mitochondria. "Burn more fatty acids for heat," they command. While you
might think that these latter two receptors would result in increased
lower-body fat loss, it just doesn't work that way.
The reason is because there are few beta1 receptors - the generators for
fat mobilization - in the lower body regions. However, what there are - and
too many at that - in the lower-body fat are alpha2 receptors.
Specifically, there are 9 times more alpha2 than beta1 receptors. When
alpha2 receptors are stimulated they block fat mobilization, achieving a
near opposite effect of beta1 receptors resulting in an increased
stubbornness to lose lower-body fat. Worse yet, noradrenaline generation is
reduced and body temperature is lowered. Then, to top it all off, on low
calorie diets, alpha2 receptors increase.
Duchaine goes on to say that this process affects far more women than men,
who normally have fewer alpha2 receptors ... except for Duchaine! The glad
news, however, is that there is a alpha2 blocker available as an
over-the-counter herbal supplement, and that the blocker is yohimbine, the
chief active ingredient in yohimbe. Unlike ephedrine, yohimbe is not an
agonist but an antagonist - it doesn't stimulate receptors, it blocks them.
And when yohimbe blocks alpha2 receptors, noradrenaline flows and the
resulting effect is increased body temperature and increased fat burning,
even in the difficult area of the lower body.
Reference: Duchaine D. Lower body fat. Muscle Media 2000. 1996;54:94-99

For the Helios you do not mix the two solutions in the same
syringe (different chemistry). Ideally both solutions should be taken
orally. Only really lean guys with a stubborn fat deposits will want to
inject just the clenbuterol/yohimbine solution subcutaneously.
Start the dosage of each solution at 0.5cc der pay and gradually work
the dosage up as fast as the person is comfortable. The clen solution
is sometimes tough for the odd person to get used to because of
headaches. Just take their time. I would go as high as 3 cc of each per
day possibly 4 if the person is a real hard ass for drugs, but 4 is
pretty high. Lots of guys are happy at 2 cc. Then when they want to
come off the Helios system they will need to taper slowly down for 2
weeks at least.

They need to drink so much water they will be sick of it if they are the
ones that sweet like no tomorrow. They will need to watch their
electroplytes as well besause they are loosing so much in their sweat
and plain water doesn't replace electrolytes.

Oh and one other thing, they should split the dosage into morning and
early early evening if they can.

Helios dosage should start low (0.25 - 0.5cc) and increase daily or as the
user can handle the clen side effects. I wouldn't dose past 3cc of either
solution per day and I would split the dosage up into 12 hour intervals (ie
have the dose in AM and the other half in the PM). The user can maintain
that doase for as long as they wish but, they have to know to come off the
higher doses much more slowly then they went up to the higher doses. ie : 1
week increasing daily dosage until the max desired dosafe is reached. Then
2-3 weeks at that dosage and finally dropping the daily dosage for a period
of 2 weeks. There are no hard and fast rules but you have an idea how it

A good way to cycle Helios:


WEEK 1 1/2 CC
WEEK 3 1.5 CC
WEEK 5 2.5 CC
WEEK 8 0.5 CC


7 DAYS @ 12.5 MCG
5 DAYS @ 25 MCG
7 DAYS @ 50 MCG
5 DAYS @ 37.5 MCG
5 DAYS @ 25 MCG
5 DAYS @ 12.5 MCG
5 DAYS @ 6.25 MCG

Using it this way,is smart all around...i didn't feel any downfall once i
seized the T3,because the clen was being run until week 8...intensity in
the gym was still apparent all the way thru and didn't lose any of leaness
post cycle...a diet that worked well on this was the ISOCALORIC diet by Dan

Inject the Clen/Yohim and drink the T3. Worked very well for me. I went as
high as 4cc's of each per day, but not for long, mostly was at 3cc's per
day with a long taper off
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Old 11-15-2007, 05:28 PM
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I hope you can help me guys. I have a few questions about helios usage. My schedule does not allow for cardio in the am on an empty stomach. I try and get 20 minutes at the end of my hour and fifeteen minutes weight work. When should I take the helios?? Before workout? or after weights before cardio?? If I dont do cardio is the helios benefits useless??
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Old 11-15-2007, 11:34 PM
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I would take it before your workout...Helios has a mechanism of action which, upon injecting sub-q into fatty areas, is supposed to loosen the fat for you and allow you to burn it out through cardio...
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:54 AM
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So I can pin up an 1 1/2 hour before I actually do cardio (weights first).
Should I take to the gym with me an use 20 or 30 minutes before cardio.

I like to be clear. Thank you Action
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Old 11-16-2007, 10:31 AM
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I haven`t tried it yet, but from what I`ve read on other boards, it makes sense to inject 30 mins before cardio...You`ll know it`s doing it`s job when you feel Clen`s effects...
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Old 11-19-2007, 03:11 PM
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Default Helios

So Helios is in fact a conbination of:
Clenbuterol HCL
(350% more potent than Yo HCl)

I'm correct?
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Old 11-20-2007, 02:11 AM
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Well, I'm guessing it depends on which one you get...
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Old 11-20-2007, 02:11 AM
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I'm gonna start my Helios soon...I'll let everyone know how it goes when I get it going...
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Old 11-20-2007, 02:25 PM
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Default Helios

I been looking at different sources and none of them carry the Helios (per name)
Is there another name for it??
Or, it's just a way to call the combination of Liquid Yohimbine and clen?
Or, I'm not looking good enough in the sources and some of them carry Helios but I haven't found them?
I had look almost all of them International and Domestic.
Any help?
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Old 11-21-2007, 01:36 AM
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It'll only be listed as Helios...There's 2 kinds: Oral and injectable...
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