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THE PERFECT CYCLE
Taken from BOTTOMLINE BODYBUILDING by Nelson Montana for Elite Fitness

Is it possible? Can the perfect cycle be constructed? There are lots of people who think so. Unfortunately, what they consider perfect may not concur with your definition. To some, a successful cycle is one which produces the most noticeable immediate gains. They'll swear up and down how great it works, regardless of the side effects, health risks or inability to maintain the gains. But instant gratification is not the name of the game here. To me, a "perfect" cycle (or one as close to perfect as possible) is one that will contain 3 specifications.

One: It will produce the most gains with the least amount of suppression.
Two: It will be virtually impossible to cause gyno.
Three: The gains will be as permanent as possible.

If that's your idea of a good cycle, this is for you.

(Note: I must preface this report by saying that this cycle is not designed to be cost effective. If you want the best, be prepared to pay for it. Then again, I could never understand why someone would want to cut corners when it comes to something as serious as this. Also, there's a reason for these choices, especially the use of Primobolan. Yes, I know it's hard to get and it's expensive and it's often counterfeited, but that is irrelevant to the matter at hand. Primobolan is the safest, most risk-free steroid and it
produces very solid gains. Please don't e-mail and ask if you can substitute Fina or Deca or Cypionate for the Primo. It's there for a reason.)

Week One:
25 mgs of D-bol every day. Spread out to 4 daily doses. (Note: If you are extremely sensitive to gyno, use 30mgs of Oxandrolone instead of D-bol).
Day 1: Sustanon 250.
Day 2: 100mgs Primo
Day 3: 100 mgs Primo.
Day 5: 100 mgs Primo.
Day 7: 100 mgs Primo.

Week Two:
30 mgs of Oxandrolone every day. Same administration as above.
Day 8: 200 mgs Testosterone cypionate or enanthate
Day 10: 100 mgs Primo
Day 12: 100 mgs Primo
Day 14: 100 mgs Primo

Week Three:
20 mgs of oral Winstrol every day. Take last dose of Winstrol no later than 6.00 P.M. (Note: Ox may be substituted for Winstrol if LDL is a problem.)
Day15: 100 mgs Primo
Day 16: 100 mgs Primo
Day 18: 100 mgs Primo
Day 21: 100 mgs of Primo

For the following week, take one 25 mg Proviron tablet each morning along with 1000 mgs of Avena Sativa 3 times a day.

There it is. Any more will cause too much suppression and you will not have enough endogenous testosterone to maintain the gains.

Solid muscle. No crash. No gyno. No anti-e's. It's perfect.



Following this cycle, work the entire body just 3 times a week for no more than 45 minutes a session, the next 3 weeks. Sleep at least 8 hours a night. And of course, NO AEROBICS!!!

Although dosages can be manipulated to a degree, chances are you won't do much better than following this plan exactly. (I strongly urge beginners to use half the recommended dosages.) You can only hold on to so much muscle at a time and gaining too much more is a waste of time as well as presenting needless risks.

Some final thoughts: Keep in mind, steroids are growth drugs. They are designed to repair and build muscle tissue. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A "CUTTING" CYCLE. People like to use gear while dieting because they just like to have more muscle while dieting. It's as simple as that. The idea that drugs are used for fat loss stems form the need of competive bodybuilders to continue using non bloating drugs up until contest time. That has nothing to do with using steroids in the "real world." The anti-catabolic effects of steroids are minimal unless you're in a starvation state -- which for competitors trying to achieve 4% body fat, it is. A cut in calories and calorie expenditure sufficient for normal, sustainable fat loss is not going to cause major catabolism. Studies that show steroids lower fat levels aren't entirely accurate. There is a GAIN of lean muscle mass, but that isn't a LOSS of fat. The percentage has just been shifted. (Another example of how studies are misinterpreted.)

In order to make the most of this cycle you must eat, eat, and eat some more -- as much protein as possible. The drugs allow for the increased nitrogen which otherwise would be excreted from your system.

You must also train like an animal! Don't cruise through your workouts thinking that the drugs will do all the work. They only work if you break down the muscle. Train hard!

Use the aforementioned herbs to restore libido post cycle, especially Maca, Epimedium, and Avena Sativa. The South American extract Carao also seems to be beneficial in this area. The herb Xanthoparmilia (100mgs) mixed with 2000 mgs of Arginine will produce "Viagra-like" results.

And remember; the longer you stay off, the more solidified the gains become.

Stay strong. And be careful.
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Do you guys think that this holds any truth anymore?
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Nice post

IMO art of short cycles is far more effective than longer ones, with less health risks and better gains. On that note, I do believe that short cycles should be made to be worth your while, with a duration of at least 5 weeks, but no longer than 8. By doing this you are still shutting down your system, but it will be up and running much faster than a traditional 10-16 week cycle which is 2-3 times the duration of a short cycle. What a lot of people don't understand, is that steroids, like any other drug, begin to have a diminishing effect over time as the body begins to adapt and the receptors become numb. This means that after a certain period of time the steroids you are taking will not be within a therapeutic range (a range in which you will achieve gains). Personally for me, I have found that my gains drop dramatically after 8 weeks. It's a very interesting concept that most people ignore.
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Do you guys think that this holds any truth anymore?
Very interesting. He is a well known and reputable bodybuilder. Would be nice to get some board feedback from those who have tried it.
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I'm gonna place this in Archived Greats. There is some good info in here.
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The only way to know the answer to these things is to try it lol. Interesting concept though... may be worth a try in the future.
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I'm gonna try it for my next cycle. It's gonna be in a month or so. I'm already shopping for it.
The only difference is I'm gonna do injectable primo ace instead of oral. Just because I can get it cheaper.
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Please let us know how it goes Supaman!
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Sure thing bro. I will keep you guys posted.
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Never tried it but it will work well-but you're not going to see spectacular growth from this-it will subtle growth but there is merit in the minimal shut down and maintenance of the gained muscle.
Just don't be expecting to gain 15lbs-20lbs from this.
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man thats an awful lot of money and gear

dont get me wrong I like my gear but I also like the gear that gets slammed by a Hurst Shifter hooked to a RB Big Block Mopar
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Supa, have you started this cycle yet?
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the perfect cycle has to do with timing and panning, Not compounds No distractions. How am I feeling both mentally and physically before I start my cycle. ( DO I HAVE SOME CRAZY BITCH THAT'S GOING HINDER MY CYCLE ) Do I have a correct nutrition plan in place ??????? Am I some fat fuck who thinks by sticking a needle in my ass for 12 weeks am I going to look like PEE WEEE HERMAN
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THE PERFECT CYCLE
Taken from BOTTOMLINE BODYBUILDING by Nelson Montana for Elite Fitness

Is it possible? Can the perfect cycle be constructed? There are lots of people who think so. Unfortunately, what they consider perfect may not concur with your definition. To some, a successful cycle is one which produces the most noticeable immediate gains. They'll swear up and down how great it works, regardless of the side effects, health risks or inability to maintain the gains. But instant gratification is not the name of the game here. To me, a "perfect" cycle (or one as close to perfect as possible) is one that will contain 3 specifications.

One: It will produce the most gains with the least amount of suppression.
Two: It will be virtually impossible to cause gyno.
Three: The gains will be as permanent as possible.

If that's your idea of a good cycle, this is for you.

(Note: I must preface this report by saying that this cycle is not designed to be cost effective. If you want the best, be prepared to pay for it. Then again, I could never understand why someone would want to cut corners when it comes to something as serious as this. Also, there's a reason for these choices, especially the use of Primobolan. Yes, I know it's hard to get and it's expensive and it's often counterfeited, but that is irrelevant to the matter at hand. Primobolan is the safest, most risk-free steroid and it
produces very solid gains. Please don't e-mail and ask if you can substitute Fina or Deca or Cypionate for the Primo. It's there for a reason.)

Week One:
25 mgs of D-bol every day. Spread out to 4 daily doses. (Note: If you are extremely sensitive to gyno, use 30mgs of Oxandrolone instead of D-bol).
Day 1: Sustanon 250.
Day 2: 100mgs Primo
Day 3: 100 mgs Primo.
Day 5: 100 mgs Primo.
Day 7: 100 mgs Primo.

Week Two:
30 mgs of Oxandrolone every day. Same administration as above.
Day 8: 200 mgs Testosterone cypionate or enanthate
Day 10: 100 mgs Primo
Day 12: 100 mgs Primo
Day 14: 100 mgs Primo

Week Three:
20 mgs of oral Winstrol every day. Take last dose of Winstrol no later than 6.00 P.M. (Note: Ox may be substituted for Winstrol if LDL is a problem.)
Day15: 100 mgs Primo
Day 16: 100 mgs Primo
Day 18: 100 mgs Primo
Day 21: 100 mgs of Primo

For the following week, take one 25 mg Proviron tablet each morning along with 1000 mgs of Avena Sativa 3 times a day.

There it is. Any more will cause too much suppression and you will not have enough endogenous testosterone to maintain the gains.

Solid muscle. No crash. No gyno. No anti-e's. It's perfect.

Following this cycle, work the entire body just 3 times a week for no more than 45 minutes a session, the next 3 weeks. Sleep at least 8 hours a night. And of course, NO AEROBICS!!!

Although dosages can be manipulated to a degree, chances are you won't do much better than following this plan exactly. (I strongly urge beginners to use half the recommended dosages.) You can only hold on to so much muscle at a time and gaining too much more is a waste of time as well as presenting needless risks.

Some final thoughts: Keep in mind, steroids are growth drugs. They are designed to repair and build muscle tissue. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A "CUTTING" CYCLE. People like to use gear while dieting because they just like to have more muscle while dieting. It's as simple as that. The idea that drugs are used for fat loss stems form the need of competive bodybuilders to continue using non bloating drugs up until contest time. That has nothing to do with using steroids in the "real world." The anti-catabolic effects of steroids are minimal unless you're in a starvation state -- which for competitors trying to achieve 4% body fat, it is. A cut in calories and calorie expenditure sufficient for normal, sustainable fat loss is not going to cause major catabolism. Studies that show steroids lower fat levels aren't entirely accurate. There is a GAIN of lean muscle mass, but that isn't a LOSS of fat. The percentage has just been shifted. (Another example of how studies are misinterpreted.)

In order to make the most of this cycle you must eat, eat, and eat some more -- as much protein as possible. The drugs allow for the increased nitrogen which otherwise would be excreted from your system.

You must also train like an animal! Don't cruise through your workouts thinking that the drugs will do all the work. They only work if you break down the muscle. Train hard!

Use the aforementioned herbs to restore libido post cycle, especially Maca, Epimedium, and Avena Sativa. The South American extract Carao also seems to be beneficial in this area. The herb Xanthoparmilia (100mgs) mixed with 2000 mgs of Arginine will produce "Viagra-like" results.

And remember; the longer you stay off, the more solidified the gains become.

Stay strong. And be careful.
I would like to try this just outa Curiosity, but im Sceptical.

The question on everyones mind is how much muscle can a guy build on this?
After all, theres no point in doing a super safe, super sensible, non supressive cycle, if that cycle Does Not, and Can Not produce any measurable Gains.
Also theres Cost to think about, Its a reality that cant be ignored, A guy does not want to invest Hundreds of Dollars $$$$ in a cycle that does not deliver, no matter how Safe.
Primo is Expensive from any source.

thoughts?

Also has Anyone tried this?
Would like to hear results on this.
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I think it is a joke and will never try that cycle. makes no sense how that is a perfect cycle.
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I am with you WW. It may be a very good short cycle, and every man has his opinion, but I think a perfect stack has tren and can go on for months.
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I think its fair to say that Every mans idea of perfection is diffrent.
This is true in all things in life.
However, the idea here is a cycle that Non Suppresive, Non Aromatizing, and produces gains that can be kept after the cycle has finished.
Thefore, Acording to the Original author, This cycle is as close to perfect as it gets, Personaly, i think its HOGWASH, No cycle is worth a dime if it dont produce the muscle, but i would still try it just to come back here and give feedback, also its a way of realy testing this cycle.
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I think its fair to say that Every mans idea of perfection is diffrent.
This is true in all things in life.
However, the idea here is a cycle that Non Suppresive, Non Aromatizing, and produces gains that can be kept after the cycle has finished.
Thefore, Acording to the Original author, This cycle is as close to perfect as it gets, Personaly, i think its HOGWASH, No cycle is worth a dime if it dont produce the muscle, but i would still try it just to come back here and give feedback, also its a way of realy testing this cycle.


this cycle is neither Non Suppressive or Non Aromatizing.
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I think its fair to say that Every mans idea of perfection is diffrent.
This is true in all things in life.
However, the idea here is a cycle that Non Suppresive, Non Aromatizing, and produces gains that can be kept after the cycle has finished.
Thefore, Acording to the Original author, This cycle is as close to perfect as it gets, Personaly, i think its HOGWASH, No cycle is worth a dime if it dont produce the muscle, but i would still try it just to come back here and give feedback, also its a way of realy testing this cycle.
bulk he doesn't state non suppressive. He states least amount of suppression. With that said I agree with you. Really don't see how this is a perfect cycle. But, like someone said it's personal opinion I guess.

Also, this cycle will shut you down and will require a full PCT after running.

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hi mands
Yes he does say "least amount of suppression"
Dude, you realy are paying attention , I commend you sir
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ps, Everyone knows the perfect cycle involves ABombs, tren+,Test, in high dosages
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Yes he does say "least amount of suppression"
Dude, you realy are paying attention , I commend you sir
Thanks man.

ps, Everyone knows the perfect cycle involves ABombs, tren+,Test, in high dosages
Haha Exaclty. Except maybe dbol over anadrol. Makes me feel better.

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Due to the cost of primo, I name this the Most expensive cycle (Not the Perfect cycle) lol. I don't think it's worth the money to be honest.
I am in the process of formulating the ultimate way of cycling and training... It won't look anything like this one though
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hi mands
Yes he does say "least amount of suppression"
Dude, you realy are paying attention , I commend you sir
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ps, Everyone knows the perfect cycle involves ABombs, tren+,Test, in high dosages
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hi Sup
Ever read George spellwins Book?
or Mike Hart Laymans guide.
Both these guys have similar reccomendations with regards to cycle design, they consider the compounds half life among other variables, thus producing Superior cycle design.
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Good to hear from you man.
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