Old and Confused

[charliebones]

As mentioned in my intro, I've been at this game a long time but I've never stopped trying to learn more and benefit from the experience of others, much like I try to help others benefit from my trials and errors.

I've done a lot of cycles, starting at the age of about 20 and I'll be 43. My first cycle was the good old fashioned dbol only pyramid cycle for 8 weeks. I put on about 20 pounds and lost nearly all of it. Since then I've done a variety of bulkers & cutters, some of which included test, some did not.

My confusion stems from the opinions that test should be added to every cycle. I understand the theory behind it which is, by introducing non-test based anabolics (i.e.: deca, anavar, winstrol, primo, etc.), the body will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test which can cause problems (lack of sex drive). However, doesn't the introduction of an exogenous, test-based anabolic also reduce endogenous, natural levels of test??

Rule of thumb I've always been told is that if your body is getting it from somewhere else, it slows or stops the production of its own, which is why PCT is so important to prevent the takeover of estrogen while your natural test levels get back to normal. I would think the introduction of a test based anabolic could further slow the recovery period of natural test levels?

Is the opinion to use test with every cycle only to prevent sexual sides or are there other benefits to including test from a PCT standpoint, such as quicker recovery?

Thanks in advance for your replies! I've seen this issue debated a number of times but I've never heard any actual science behind it.

[zidane9979]

Originally Posted by charliebones

As mentioned in my intro, I've been at this game a long time but I've never stopped trying to learn more and benefit from the experience of others, much like I try to help others benefit from my trials and errors.

I've done a lot of cycles, starting at the age of about 20 and I'll be 43. My first cycle was the good old fashioned dbol only pyramid cycle for 8 weeks. I put on about 20 pounds and lost nearly all of it. Since then I've done a variety of bulkers & cutters, some of which included test, some did not.

My confusion stems from the opinions that test should be added to every cycle. I understand the theory behind it which is, by introducing non-test based anabolics (i.e.: deca, anavar, winstrol, primo, etc.), the body will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test which can cause problems (lack of sex drive). However, doesn't the introduction of an exogenous, test-based anabolic also reduce endogenous, natural levels of test??

Rule of thumb I've always been told is that if your body is getting it from somewhere else, it slows or stops the production of its own, which is why PCT is so important to prevent the takeover of estrogen while your natural test levels get back to normal. I would think the introduction of a test based anabolic could further slow the recovery period of natural test levels?

Is the opinion to use test with every cycle only to prevent sexual sides or are there other benefits to including test from a PCT standpoint, such as quicker recovery?

Thanks in advance for your replies! I've seen this issue debated a number of times but I've never heard any actual science behind it.

ok i dont quite know what you want to know but ill take a stab to answer your question... all anabolic steroids suppress your natural test ..... some more than others... i have in the past done cycles without test for the whole tihng but my body is different then most.... with the fact that all aas suppress your natural test the only ones that can replace the function of the natural test are tests i.e. test prop , test ent. test cyp, test suspen. sustenon, testoviron, omnidren , sten. so you need it , but that doesnt mean you have to do large amounts of test, some never do more than 300 mgs aweek, so it doesnt have to be overwhelming.. as for PCT your hpta will be totally supressed regardless of what roids you do over 8-12 weeks so pct is needed in the same proportion even without test, so its better to just do it

[espiros]

I'm not the expert here but,
In my opinion, I rather deal with high sex drive test give me while "On" than having to perfom with my wife without desire because the lack of it (test)
It seems that in my case (the two cycles I did without test) I'm the kind of guys that will lose all sexual appetite if test is not included.
And even, when I love the effect gear gives me....I wouldn't risk losing the wife because of this...While on the other hand (inlcuding Test) I will make her happier!
If you know what I mean......

[admin]

As the others kinda hit, the suggestion to add test is for while you are on, to help you feel 'normal' or even better than normal. Without test, there's a possibility of feeling depressed, tired, no energy etc.

[badstone]

The biggest reason for adding test is your well being( how you feel) It will keep your sex life working and give you a good feeling. A lot of Anabolics by them selves make you feel drained with no energy. Test will also help with AR binding with the roids that do not bind well. I personally have tried it both ways and have had a lot better results with adding test to my cycles. I am not a big fan of large test doses thou. I normally stay around the 400mg range just to keep things strait and use higher anabolic doses. This seems to give me the best results. BUT as I always add in discussions like this everyone is different and drugs react totally different from person to person so trial and error is a must to determine what is best for you.