Mods, Admin & Pro's help please.

[Eureka]

Ok. Got my gear in and plenty of it. I am 38yrs old, 6ft 25%bf. 238pds. I am going on a bulker first for the winter time and the cutting cycle is for the early spring. Please let me know if this sounds good. I started bulking cycle tonight! YEAH!!!!
Bulk cycle:
Wks 1-6 = 30mgs D-bol ED, 100mgs Test Prop EOD, 150mgs EQ EOD.
Wks 7-18 = Drop D-bol, Continue Test Prop 100mgs EOD & EQ 150mgs EOD.
I was thinking maybe a 20 week cycle but I think 18 might be good enough.

Cut Cycle:
Wks 1-11 = 100mgs Test Prop EOD, 150mgs EQ EOD
Wks 12-18 = 50mgs Win "V" EOD, 100mgs Test Prop EOD, 150mgs EQ EOD.

How do these sound. I really need help on PCT for both of these cycles. It's been about 4-5 years since my last cylce. I have never used PCT before. I want to really do everything right this time and keep my gains. Please keep it simple for me. If there are any adjustments to be made please let me know. Oh and is 3CC's of juice ok in the shoulder? I'm ok with the quads and the glutes but I was wondering about the shoulder, since I'm going EOD because of the Props short (half life) ester . Thanks THIS SITE ROCKS AND BECAUSE OF YOU GUYS I HAVE CLEAN LEGIT PRODUCTS AND PINS. ALL OF THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT!!! THANKS GUYS!!!

[signal22]

I ain't no mod, admin or a pro.... but I'll help,

The cycles look OK, I love the fact you are shooting EOD, I've always had better results when I shot more frequently... At the moment I'm shooting 3cc ED....

Your really overusing the same drugs though, I'd consider using other AAS instead of test prop & EQ in both cycles.

For me personally even 18 weeks is too long on the same drug, your receptors build up tolerance and making gains gets harder not to mention the recovery of your HPTA. Also if you play by the "rules" the longer you stay on the longer you will have to stay off. Everybody is different, so run it for 18 weeks and if you do find your progress slows you will know for next time.... OR, consider switching to different drugs after 8-10 weeks.

Winny should be taken ED to see the best results.

As for PCT, I have ran some big cycles before & I have always found 50mg of clomid for 2 weeks + 40mg nolvadex for 4-5 weeks + tribulus to be sufficent.

When I put 3cc of gear in my shoulder I know about it!! LOLOL, 2cc tops. Rotate injecting bodyparts, calfs, pecs, lats, tris, bis, shoulders, quads are all easy once you do them once.

Peace.

[espiros]

Originally Posted by signal22

I ain't no mod, admin or a pro.... but I'll help,

Your really overusing the same drugs though, I'd consider using other AAS instead of test prop & EQ in both cycles.


Winny should be taken ED to see the best results.

As for PCT, I have ran some big cycles before & I have always found 50mg of clomid for 2 weeks + 40mg nolvadex for 4-5 weeks + tribulus to be sufficent.

Peace.

Signal is right.

For a Bulking cycle you should considered different drugs...Like Test E, Cypionate or a blend.

Now, PCT...Signal is young...so for him a simple PCT is enough.....Old fellas like myself have more problems to recover so, PCT should be more structured and longer..

[zidane9979]

i agree with signal as usual, i would switch compounds for your leaner.. the prop is fine for both , even tho i personally wouldnt... i like masteron or primo .....tren is also a great leaner but it fucks ur cardio.... as for the winnie i wouldnt do it at all for 2 reasons one is at your age your tendons arent great in the first place and winnie weakens them and two at your body fat winnie really wont do much other than adding strength , oh ya it also can wreck havoc on your body especially the liver.... as for pct take a look at the anthony roberts PCT its under pct's... lastly u can do 3cc in your shoulder but as signal said its gonna suck.... oh ya i hope u have some form of liver protection if ur going 6 weeks with d-bol like LIV-52... well good luck bro

[Eureka]

Originally Posted by espiros

Signal is right.

For a Bulking cycle you should considered different drugs...Like Test E, Cypionate or a blend.

Now, PCT...Signal is young...so for him a simple PCT is enough.....Old fellas like myself have more problems to recover so, PCT should be more structured and longer..

When would you suggest starting the PCT (wich weeks?) and what doses and what products?? I am 38. Like I said earlier I have never used PCT but I feel that now that I'm older it would be a good idea to help the GONADS hahaha, Thanks guys!!

[signal22]

Originally Posted by Eureka

When would you suggest starting the PCT (wich weeks?) and what doses and what products?? I am 38. Like I said earlier I have never used PCT but I feel that now that I'm older it would be a good idea to help the GONADS hahaha, Thanks guys!!

If you run the cycle like you have in your first post, I would drop the EQ at week 15, then you can begin pct 3 days after your last injection of prop in week 19. Do a search on pct for dosages.

[signal22]

Originally Posted by espiros

Now, PCT...Signal is young...so for him a simple PCT is enough.....Old fellas like myself have more problems to recover so, PCT should be more structured and longer..

LOLOLOLOL!!! Your not that old bro!!!

Espiros, the best pct for you is to never come off!!!!! J/K bro LMAO!

[Eureka]

Originally Posted by zidane9979

i agree with signal as usual, i would switch compounds for your leaner.. the prop is fine for both , even tho i personally wouldnt... i like masteron or primo .....tren is also a great leaner but it fucks ur cardio.... as for the winnie i wouldnt do it at all for 2 reasons one is at your age your tendons arent great in the first place and winnie weakens them and two at your body fat winnie really wont do much other than adding strength , oh ya it also can wreck havoc on your body especially the liver.... as for pct take a look at the anthony roberts PCT its under pct's... lastly u can do 3cc in your shoulder but as signal said its gonna suck.... oh ya i hope u have some form of liver protection if ur going 6 weeks with d-bol like LIV-52... well good luck bro

Liv-52? I have some Milk Thistle 200mgs 3times a day. Never heard of Liv-52, is it over the counter? Or do I have to see a supplier about that? I have a 50ml bottle of Win "V" so I might as well go with it, but that for the spring time anyway. Maybe by that time I can pick up some Deca to ease the joints. What do ya think?
Cutting:
Wks 1-10 = 100mgs Test Prop EOD, 100mgs Deca EOD
Wks 10-16 = 100mgs Test Prop EOD, 100mgs Deca EOD, 50mgs Win V ED.

[zidane9979]

ya i think with such a long cycle go with the anthony roberts pct. im on it right now and i m still getting stronger almost 4 weeks later i just added some tribulus in there

[zidane9979]

Originally Posted by Eureka

Liv-52? I have some Milk Thistle 200mgs 3times a day. Never heard of Liv-52, is it over the counter? Or do I have to see a supplier about that? I have a 50ml bottle of Win "V" so I might as well go with it, but that for the spring time anyway. Maybe by that time I can pick up some Deca to ease the joints. What do ya think?
Cutting:
Wks 1-10 = 100mgs Test Prop EOD, 100mgs Deca EOD
Wks 10-16 = 100mgs Test Prop EOD, 100mgs Deca EOD, 50mgs Win V ED.

deca would be better for the bulker, it can have some water retention.... liv 52 actually helps prevent toxins from going thru ur liver , action says the best place to get it is on ebay, its pretty cheap.. in the end different things work for different people so just be careful with the winnie, but add something to help the joints , in the end its all trial and error as the best teacher...

[Eureka]

Originally Posted by signal22

If you run the cycle like you have in your first post, I would drop the EQ at week 15, then you can begin pct 3 days after your last injection of prop in week 19. Do a search on pct for dosages.

Ok now we are getting somewhere. Please remember that this is the stuff that I have on hand. Except the PCT. I want to make sure on it before I go ordering things.
Bulking.
Wks 1-6 = 30mgs D-bol ED, 100mgs Test Prop EOD, 150mgs EQ EOD.
Wks 7-15 = Drop D-bol, Continue Test Prop 100mgs EOD & EQ 150mgs EOD.
Wks 15-18 = Drop EQ, Continue Test Prop 100mgs EOD
3 days later start Anthony Roberts PCT.
Sound better?? Thanks Bros

[signal22]

Originally Posted by Eureka

Ok now we are getting somewhere. Please remember that this is the stuff that I have on hand. Except the PCT. I want to make sure on it before I go ordering things.
Bulking.
Wks 1-6 = 30mgs D-bol ED, 100mgs Test Prop EOD, 150mgs EQ EOD.
Wks 7-15 = Drop D-bol, Continue Test Prop 100mgs EOD & EQ 150mgs EOD.
Wks 15-18 = Drop EQ, Continue Test Prop 100mgs EOD
3 days later start Anthony Roberts PCT.
Sound better?? Thanks Bros

You got it bubba!!!

[zidane9979]

and just for the record signal is a pro and should be a MOD. so his opinion is always good

[espiros]

Originally Posted by signal22

LOLOLOLOL!!! Your not that old bro!!!

Espiros, the best pct for you is to never come off!!!!! J/K bro LMAO!

LOLOLOL!!!!

I'm to that point????

Now, about the questions....
The cycle looks good (the last lay out of it)

PCT....Do not forget about adding tribulus, it does really help....I use 1500 mgs ED for as long as I'm on PCT.

[Eureka]

Originally Posted by espiros

LOLOLOL!!!!

I'm to that point????

Now, about the questions....
The cycle looks good (the last lay out of it)

PCT....Do not forget about adding tribulus, it does really help....I use 1500 mgs ED for as long as I'm on PCT.

Thanks for all the help guys! I was wondering if guys can make the PCT simple for me, like in plain english? I went to the Anthony Roberts PCT thread and DAMN!!! I dont think my little ADD helped any HAHAHA!!! Thanks Bros!

[zidane9979]

Originally Posted by Eureka

Thanks for all the help guys! I was wondering if guys can make the PCT simple for me, like in plain english? I went to the Anthony Roberts PCT thread and DAMN!!! I dont think my little ADD helped any HAHAHA!!! Thanks Bros!

nolvadex 20mgs a day for 6 weeks
aromasin 20mgs a day for 6 weeks
hcg 500 iu ' s a day for 3 weeks
vitamin E 1000 iu's a day for 3 weeks
and then i add 1500-1800 mgs of tribulus a day for 6 weeks

[Eureka]

Originally Posted by zidane9979

nolvadex 20mgs a day for 6 weeks
aromasin 20mgs a day for 6 weeks
hcg 500 iu ' s a day for 3 weeks
vitamin E 1000 iu's a day for 3 weeks
and then i add 1500-1800 mgs of tribulus a day for 6 weeks

Thanks Zidane, so the whole PCT will last for six weeks. You think that's enough for such a long cycle? I dont know that's why I ask. You obviously know about PCT. Thanks.

[basiclute009]

Originally Posted by Eureka

Liv-52? I have some Milk Thistle 200mgs 3times a day. Never heard of Liv-52, is it over the counter? Or do I have to see a supplier about that? I have a 50ml bottle of Win "V" so I might as well go with it, but that for the spring time anyway. Maybe by that time I can pick up some Deca to ease the joints. What do ya think?
Cutting:
Wks 1-10 = 100mgs Test Prop EOD, 100mgs Deca EOD
Wks 10-16 = 100mgs Test Prop EOD, 100mgs Deca EOD, 50mgs Win V ED.

Dont go 6wks with Dbol its a little 2 long.. Bump ur MG's from 30 to 40 run 40MG ED for 5wks kickstart with (TEST E or CYP or sust @ 600 mg with deca @ 500mg wk for 16 wks). If ur trying for a bulking cycle save the (test prop) for the leaner cycle with some (tren e and and some EQ or var)... Drop the (winstrol) like they r saying i hear it takes a beating on ur body on ur body. Buy LIV-52 at any OTC supp store.. GNC, MAX MUSCLE.. BUY SOME--> CALI KUSH AS well be ready 2 eat!!

[Eureka]

Originally Posted by basiclute009

Dont go 6wks with Dbol its a little 2 long.. Bump ur MG's from 30 to 40 run 40MG ED for 5wks kickstart with (TEST E or CYP or sust @ 600 mg with deca @ 500mg wk for 16 wks). If ur trying for a bulking cycle save the (test prop) for the leaner cycle with some (tren e and and some EQ or var)... Drop the (winstrol) like they r saying i hear it takes a beating on ur body on ur body. Buy LIV-52 at any OTC supp store.. GNC, MAX MUSCLE.. BUY SOME--> CALI KUSH AS well be ready 2 eat!!

Thanks for the advice on the D-bol. As far as the other stuff it's what I have on hand. Test Prop, EQ, D-bol, Winny "V". I'm gonna have to work in the Winny in the cutting cycle somewhere. I think I have it all pretty much lined up. I'm trying to bulk up for the winter, and work in the winny in the spring time cutting cyle. Maybe by then I'll get my hands on some var, tren or primo. Thanks.. The Anavar sounds pretty nice to me though!

[espiros]

Originally Posted by Eureka

Thanks for the advice on the D-bol. As far as the other stuff it's what I have on hand. Test Prop, EQ, D-bol, Winny "V". I'm gonna have to work in the Winny in the cutting cycle somewhere. I think I have it all pretty much lined up. I'm trying to bulk up for the winter, and work in the winny in the spring time cutting cyle. Maybe by then I'll get my hands on some var, tren or primo. Thanks.. The Anavar sounds pretty nice to me though!

Instead of Var...go with Tren....you will love it!

Var is still an oral....and Tren has just everything....have said enough I'm in love with it?

[basiclute009]

Originally Posted by espiros

Instead of Var...go with Tren....you will love it!

Var is still an oral....and Tren has just everything....have said enough I'm in love with it?

U would recomend Tren over var? how should my next cutting cycle look Test Prop, Tren A, Primo?

[zidane9979]

Originally Posted by basiclute009

U would recomend Tren over var? how should my next cutting cycle look Test Prop, Tren A, Primo?

its very similiar to mine im going test prop , tren acetate , and masteron .... im going with masteron because i always use primo and to give those receptors a break... but there similiar compounds... tren gets you very strong, its 5 times more anabolic then test

[espiros]

Originally Posted by basiclute009

U would recomend Tren over var? how should my next cutting cycle look Test Prop, Tren A, Primo?

Yes, I will go with Tren any time over than Var!

[basiclute009]

Originally Posted by zidane9979

its very similiar to mine im going test prop , tren acetate , and masteron .... im going with masteron because i always use primo and to give those receptors a break... but there similiar compounds... tren gets you very strong, its 5 times more anabolic then test

i see so thats a great cutting cycle?

[signal22]

Originally Posted by zidane9979

its very similiar to mine im going test prop , tren acetate , and masteron

The synergy of those three steroids combined make for a great cutting cycle. I like the ratio of 50mg test prop, 75mg Tren Ace & 100mg Masteron.