help with eq, test e

[mellow2207]

hi all would like some help and advice this will be cycel 6 and this is how it will look
weeks 1-12 250mg eq 2 x week
weeks 1-12 250mg test e 2 x week
weeks 4-12 25mg provi ed
weeks 1-4 50mg dianobol ed
this looks prity sound to me it sould go well but I have some test prop and wondering if I sould add this at the end of the 12 weeks for 4 week with some tren a or just put it at the begining without tren a help what wolud be a better
and pct will be hgc, clomid, tomxefen

any advice thank you

[b-real]

Looks good to me. I would run the prop at the beginning until the test e kicks in and frontload the eq.... but thats me

[mellow2207]

Originally Posted by b-real

Looks good to me. I would run the prop at the beginning until the test e kicks in and frontload the eq.... but thats me

I was thinking that the end would prevent a crash before pct

[espiros]

Originally Posted by mellow2207

I was thinking that the end would prevent a crash before pct

Mellow,
Either way will work.
Prop to kick in faster at the beggining or to end the cycle, so there's "waiting" for your PCT.
Up to you.
You could frontload the E and save the prop to next cycle.

[signal22]

Originally Posted by mellow2207

hi all would like some help and advice this will be cycel 6 and this is how it will look
weeks 1-12 250mg eq 2 x week
weeks 1-12 250mg test e 2 x week
weeks 4-12 25mg provi ed
weeks 1-4 50mg dianobol ed
this looks prity sound to me it sould go well but I have some test prop and wondering if I sould add this at the end of the 12 weeks for 4 week with some tren a or just put it at the begining without tren a help what wolud be a better
and pct will be hgc, clomid, tomxefen

any advice thank you

I would'nt use the prop at all, let the natural taper of the enanthate ester do it's thing instead of using prop and keeping your hpta heavily supressed all the way up to pct.

[zidane9979]

i agree with signal either go with a blend like sustenon , but no need to go with both test with such a short cycle... it really woont make that much of a difference on ur pct...

[mellow2207]

Most people start their PCT too early and wonder why they feel like complete shit after finishing their PCT. It is because they began their PCT when they were still suppressed, possibly even finishing PCT while there was still exogenous testosterone suppressing natural production.

This is why you should stop any long esters by about 30 days before the end of your desired cycle length. You should then replace them with a short ester such as propionate so that you can gradually lower your testosterone levels down. Upon total discontinuation of injections, you can begin PCT in a relatively short timespan, as opposed to waiting several weeks had you not tapered with a short ester.

[Sinjin]

or continue the PCT longer. The older you are, the longer recovery your endocrine system will need. I'm seeing better results with older users (45 +) nearly going 1:1 cycle length:PCT. Most 12 week cycles the older group I recommend 10 weeks of PCT and a gradual taper off of tamoxifen.

[zidane9979]

Originally Posted by mellow2207

Most people start their PCT too early and wonder why they feel like complete shit after finishing their PCT. It is because they began their PCT when they were still suppressed, possibly even finishing PCT while there was still exogenous testosterone suppressing natural production.

This is why you should stop any long esters by about 30 days before the end of your desired cycle length. You should then replace them with a short ester such as propionate so that you can gradually lower your testosterone levels down. Upon total discontinuation of injections, you can begin PCT in a relatively short timespan, as opposed to waiting several weeks had you not tapered with a short ester.

ya medically speaking changing to prop because of the shorter ester sounds good , but at the same time your adding another chemical that will effect receptors and compounds the suppression of natural test...but if ur doing the prop eod like ur suppose to ur levels are going to be the same with the only difference is how soon after u can start ur pct ...and with how the ester metabolizes the level of test that remains after its halflife is so small that suppression really isnt that big of a concern.... if u like endind with prop then just use it for the WHOLE cycle ...... just my humble opinion so take what ya like and leave the rest.....

[TripX]

Originally Posted by Sinjin

or continue the PCT longer. The older you are, the longer recovery your endocrine system will need. I'm seeing better results with older users (45 +) nearly going 1:1 cycle length:PCT. Most 12 week cycles the older group I recommend 10 weeks of PCT and a gradual taper off of tamoxifen.

That's something a bit new in terms of addressing PCT in terms of age.

Thanks for sharing it with us.