Frustrated from first cycle

[Supaman]

Hi dear members of SW.
As some of you may know, I started my first cycle about 2 months ago. I am doing dbol/test e and almost at the end of the cycle now.
I am disappointed and I will tell you why; I gained around 15 pounds in the first 4 weeks. It was great! the dbol rocks! I felt more energy in the gym, huge pumps and strenght increase and overall felt great.
After I finished dbol and continued with test e, I felt a crash and didn't really gained much weight after. I feel sluggish as If I am not on any performance enhancing drug. No strength increase, no extra energy, no pumps what so ever, just regular me. I upped the dose of test e to 500mg/week after starting with 250 originally.
Even libido is very regular, but I am naturally with good libido so that didn't really change.
I also did not get any sides from test. no acne, no hair loss, no bloat or gyno, no oily skin, NOTHING.

So my question, is that normal?
Is there people who do not respond to Test or what.
I got my stuff from sci and I know its good cause the Dbol was great.
Could it be that I got a bad test batch?
Or maybe I don't do well on long cycles?

Thoughts?....

[muscleguy]

I can't tell when I'm on injectibles other than the stregth maintaining or slight increase. You see/feel more increases with orals. Normal to feel flat once they drop, becasue you feel such a great pump, feeling of well being, especially with dbol. That's why I just do dbol low dose preworkout, thru the whole cycle. Ends up being 10-20 mg 3-5 days a week.

Also my major weight increase seems to be the first 4 weeks, more recomping the last 2-4. Your doing fine, don't be discouraged.

[alaski]

I can't say the test was bad but that has never happened to me when I dropped the oral. I use orals to get things started but dropped them after 4 weeks. My strength and size continues to grow all the way into my 12th week of a cycle. Granted my test dosages are much higher than yours, nevertheless, you should not have seen the kind of results you got. I don't know your diet, sleeping patterns, or when you did your injections. It would be really hard to pin point the cause with what I know.

[^mR.]

Id be having a look at your source and where u got the test E from.. also diet is a big thing as well.. you shouldnt have had that much of a drop when u came off the dbol its not even noticable when i drop the dbol except for the pumps..

[cam75]

Originally Posted by ^mR.

Id be having a look at your source and where u got the test E from.. also diet is a big thing as well.. you shouldnt have had that much of a drop when u came off the dbol its not even noticable when i drop the dbol except for the pumps..

If I'm not mistaken it was one of the 2 big domestic vendors from here

[^mR.]

Originally Posted by cam75

If I'm not mistaken it was one of the 2 big domestic vendors from here

sounds to me like the test is under dosed again im not sure what supplier he used but the info that hes giving points to this.. remembering this is his first Cycle i would of expected a jump of around 30lb.. with running dbol and test..

[Supaman]

Originally Posted by muscleguy

I can't tell when I'm on injectibles other than the stregth maintaining or slight increase. You see/feel more increases with orals. Normal to feel flat once they drop, becasue you feel such a great pump, feeling of well being, especially with dbol. That's why I just do dbol low dose preworkout, thru the whole cycle. Ends up being 10-20 mg 3-5 days a week.

Also my major weight increase seems to be the first 4 weeks, more recomping the last 2-4. Your doing fine, don't be discouraged.

Thanks for the encouragement bro.

[Supaman]

Originally Posted by alaski

I can't say the test was bad but that has never happened to me when I dropped the oral. I use orals to get things started but dropped them after 4 weeks. My strength and size continues to grow all the way into my 12th week of a cycle. Granted my test dosages are much higher than yours, nevertheless, you should not have seen the kind of results you got. I don't know your diet, sleeping patterns, or when you did your injections. It would be really hard to pin point the cause with what I know.

Well I'm surprised too.
I inject every Monday and Thursday night.
My sleep and diet I would say got slightly worse than when I was on Dbol, but that's mostly related to waking up early and not feeling motivated as before.
But nonetheless, I still have same diet that got me the first 15 pounds, maybe 10-20% worse. But even with that, I still should be seeing some kind of results IMO.

[Supaman]

Originally Posted by ^mR.

sounds to me like the test is under dosed again im not sure what supplier he used but the info that hes giving points to this.. remembering this is his first Cycle i would of expected a jump of around 30lb.. with running dbol and test..

I got it from K (scixxxx). He is highly recommended from what I've seen here.
Next time, I'm thinking of running HG Sustanon and gauge the difference I feel. That way I will have something to compare to.
It just feels now like a bit of a waste, spending money on 20ml of nothing. And worse of all, having to poke my ass (which is not a very joyfull experience) and not get results lol.

[badstone]

How is your diet. Sounds like it may be lagging a bit. But 15 pounds off one cycle is awesome.

[alaski]

There was something wrong with the dosage is my best guess. Even when my diet was shot to hell I never had the results you are describing.

There is something I want to add to this weight gain thing. Weight is not the best way to gauge your progress because many times when I am eating clean my weight drops slightly or stays steady. Strength and muscle size are the best way to see your progress.

[Supaman]

Originally Posted by badstone

How is your diet. Sounds like it may be lagging a bit. But 15 pounds off one cycle is awesome.

I agree. But the gains came from the first few weeks which can be attributed to Dbol. and from what I heard, you don't keep much from that.
apart from that, 15 pounds are ok by me.

Originally Posted by alaski

There was something wrong with the dosage is my best guess. Even when my diet was shot to hell I never had the results you are describing.

There is something I want to add to this weight gain thing. Weight is not the best way to gauge your progress because many times when I am eating clean my weight drops slightly or stays steady. Strength and muscle size are the best way to see your progress.

Agreed. My diet is not a one that will make me a pro BB, but enough to see some progress IMO combined with 500mg/week of test.

I am not judging on weight gain only, I just feel that I got out more from creatine mono to be honest. I mean with 500mg of test in your body, I should feel like a beast from what I hear. but I feel no boost in energy or stength and my muscle toning and fullness are regular at best. I lost the muscle roundness when I went off dbol which made some people think I lost weight. I mean this shouldn't happen while I'm still on 500mg of test no?

[muscleguy]

Originally Posted by Supaman

I agree. But the gains came from the first few weeks which can be attributed to Dbol. and from what I heard, you don't keep much from that.
apart from that, 15 pounds are ok by me.



Agreed. My diet is not a one that will make me a pro BB, but enough to see some progress IMO combined with 500mg/week of test.

I am not judging on weight gain only, I just feel that I got out more from creatine mono to be honest. I mean with 500mg of test in your body, I should feel like a beast from what I hear. but I feel no boost in energy or stength and my muscle toning and fullness are regular at best. I lost the muscle roundness when I went off dbol which made some people think I lost weight. I mean this shouldn't happen while I'm still on 500mg of test no?

I don't get massive pumps off test alone, dbol yes. I stop responding after 8 weeks so I keep my cycles 6-8 weeks. 250 is on the lower side 500 is more like it. You have to eat very, very excessively to grow, if your diet is off, you won't get much from the gear.
The vender yopu ordered from is solid. I think something else is amiss. And 15 lbs isn't bad. It's close to 10% of your bodyweight, if your stats are correct. How long were you running cycle for? If you aren't gaining stop, and plan out the next. Most people miss the diet end of the equation. 4000-6000 cals a day to grow, depending on your metabolism.

[Supaman]

Originally Posted by muscleguy

I don't get massive pumps off test alone, dbol yes. I stop responding after 8 weeks so I keep my cycles 6-8 weeks. 250 is on the lower side 500 is more like it. You have to eat very, very excessively to grow, if your diet is off, you won't get much from the gear.
The vender yopu ordered from is solid. I think something else is amiss. And 15 lbs isn't bad. It's close to 10% of your bodyweight, if your stats are correct. How long were you running cycle for? If you aren't gaining stop, and plan out the next. Most people miss the diet end of the equation. 4000-6000 cals a day to grow, depending on your metabolism.

This is my 10th week and I decided today to end my cycle and throw away what's left of my test vial(around half I think). I figured if I'm not gaining weight or feeling the test, might as well stop and go into pct.
Next time if I stop seeing results around the 5-6 week mark, I will end my cycle there.
I'm up from 163lbs to 180lbs (approximately)
I'm gonna order some ostarine and try that in conjunction with d-aspartic acid and some supplements. I wanted to do folli too but I don't wanna inject off cycle.
Thanks for the help everyone. Next time I will try some HG sustanon and see what's the deal with the test and why I didn't respond to sci test e.

Peace!

[badstone]

Originally Posted by muscleguy

I don't get massive pumps off test alone, dbol yes. I stop responding after 8 weeks so I keep my cycles 6-8 weeks. 250 is on the lower side 500 is more like it. You have to eat very, very excessively to grow, if your diet is off, you won't get much from the gear.
The vender yopu ordered from is solid. I think something else is amiss. And 15 lbs isn't bad. It's close to 10% of your bodyweight, if your stats are correct. How long were you running cycle for? If you aren't gaining stop, and plan out the next. Most people miss the diet end of the equation. 4000-6000 cals a day to grow, depending on your metabolism.

Big Bump. That is why I ask about his diet. I think the gear was good. Test is not supposed to feel like D-bol. Everybody is different and acts very differently to each compound. What gives someone a awesome pump may not give you any thing. I personally like the solid muscle you gain from SHICS. Each cycle should give you 2-5lbs of growth you can keep. Its like I have said before. Steroids are not a overnight get big trick. Time in the gym and good food is the real trick.

[YourMomRules]

I know I'm late chiming in on this but I wanted to say that everyone reacts differently to compounds and some people feel tired while on. I recently experienced this on a SHIC and determined it was probably diet. It was also my first time on high doses of multiple compounds and maybe part of it was that's just the way I react. Also, ur test should have been 500 from the start. 250 is a TRT dose so it's not surprising you noticed and drastic change when you stopped the dbol cause that's probably the only thing u were feeling. Maybe u didn't give the added dose enough time to kick in between increasing it and discontinuing it. It's def not the gear, that gear is gtg.

[sideshow1701]

( upped the dose of test e to 500mg/week after starting with 250 originally.)

thats rather low to me ,test E the ester makes up alot of the mg /dose

maybe it is under dose but remember the weight of the ester counts too.

test P and test E at say 250mg // test P will have more active hormone in it and faster acting ,test E would make your hormone last longer but has less active hormone in it and more ester by weight.

there is a hormone weight to ester table around here some place.

worst case its fake.Badstone or Cookie knows im sure

[tintman1974]

thats pretty mch same cycle Im on 60mg dball day and 500mg test E week... I have droped the dball and goin only test since cycle started I put on 24 pds havent noticed a drop since I stoped the dball evrythng feels great YOU GOTTA EAT BRO

[soldierdavis]

During what week did you up the dose from 250 mg to 500mg? like your mom rules said, 250mg is a trt dose you should have went 500mg the whole cycle... Also your on week 10 and your up 17lbs thats good especially since youve been off dbol for 6 weeks so youve already lost most if not all of the water retention from the dbol... im suprised you gained that much from such a low dose of test. How many mg of dbol were you running?? I honestly dont think your gear was underdosed like others are suggesting 17lbs off of 250mg of test is awesome

[layed]

I would've preferred you'd ran an oral throughout or deca throughout....it'd be just kicking in as the oral was dropped....but I'd still run the oral for six weeks......

[Seargentslice]

Im running same gear and started with d-bol 50mg ed preworkout and bin on 500mg test e the whole time. I had the same results after getting off the d-bol but feel good My strenght has stayed the same Started on NPP and Winny EOD for the remainder of my cycle and seeing some strength increases again now. My diet is very good and Im back up 20lbs scince I started this is week 6 I did loose 10lbs after drop the d-bol. I actually took the time to calculate all the facts about my diet and found my carbs were way under and protien was way over and taking in 3800cal a day over 10 meals. I got my carbs up to 45% and noticed a big diff in the energy I have during my workouts. The gear is legit in my book mabe underdosed idk but its working for me.

[Supaman]

Originally Posted by soldierdavis88

During what week did you up the dose from 250 mg to 500mg? like your mom rules said, 250mg is a trt dose you should have went 500mg the whole cycle... Also your on week 10 and your up 17lbs thats good especially since youve been off dbol for 6 weeks so youve already lost most if not all of the water retention from the dbol... im suprised you gained that much from such a low dose of test. How many mg of dbol were you running?? I honestly dont think your gear was underdosed like others are suggesting 17lbs off of 250mg of test is awesome

Actually I ran dbol for 5 weeks, and upped the test to 500/week at week 8 I believe, so I did 2 or 3 weeks of 500/week before ending the cycle.
After the cycle, I got abit sick (flu season) and lost the bloat weight. Now I am at 175 pounds. So all in all, I gained around 12 pounds from cycle, mostly lean, and a bit of belly fat from over eating during cycle.
Dbol, I started at 20mg and worked my way up to 40 split into 2 doses, 20 pre-workout and another 20 after 5-6 hours.

[Supaman]

Originally Posted by layed

I would've preferred you'd ran an oral throughout or deca throughout....it'd be just kicking in as the oral was dropped....but I'd still run the oral for six weeks......

I will probably do that next cycle

[Mr.Nick]

You still haven't broken down your diet, what macro levels are you eating daily? That's the biggest part right there and being off can cause what you've been going thru. Also, all that weight you put on at first was mostly water from the dbol, use a tape measurer next time to measure gains. I mainly use the scale as a reference point in conjunction with the tape.

Diet aside, I guessing you should have ran at least 400mg of test from day one and after dropping the dbol, the 250mg wasn't enough and by the time your levels went up from upping the dose, it was too late. No biggie, live and learn. Now that you know that, you can plan accordingly for your next run. Also, your source is definitely solid, I wouldn't even consider it being bunk so long as you got it from the approved supplier.

[prime]

Mr. Nick has a point. The upping of the test at week 4 to 500 would have taken another 4 weeks to reach peak levels but you should have been making some gains during the last 4 weeks as the levels continued to climb. You should have front loaded when you upped your dose with a gram the first week you increased from 250 and then continue the 500mg a week until completion. that MIGHT have saved the cycle barring dosage issues.

And as to diet. I think it depends on the person. A person who doesn't tend to gain fat easily like an ecto can just up his calories with whatever it takes. While a person who is more endomorphic should probably eat cleaner.