21 or 22 gauge needles ?

[reptikes]

I've always used 22 gauge needles. But im wondering if a 21 gauge would be better?
I once couldn't get Deca into the syringe threw the needle, i had to take the needle off and suck it up!

[Replicator]

Originally Posted by reptikes

I've always used 22 gauge needles. But im wondering if a 21 gauge would be better?
I once couldn't get Deca into the syringe threw the needle, i had to take the needle off and suck it up!

its your choice ................the lower the number the easier it is to sink the plunger.................I like 16's myself
rep

[cookiedough]

I use 18 gauge to draw

[Replicator]

Originally Posted by cookiedough

I use 18 gauge to draw

I was joking CD , I use 18's to draw too and 21's to pin
rep

[cookiedough]

WOlfie's officially back on the board

[prime]

Originally Posted by Replicator

I was joking CD , I use 18's to draw too and 21's to pin
rep

rep likes 21's so the chunks of rubber the 18 carved out pass through better than with a 25.

[cookiedough]

Originally Posted by prime

rep likes 21's so the chunks of rubber the 18 carved out pass through better than with a 25.

Improves the immune system, ha.

[admin]

25g for me! Takes a couple minutes though! My skin/scar tissue is getting tired of being pinned! lol Did 2-3 months of everyday injections.

[cookiedough]

Do you draw w/the same pin you shoot with?

[admin]

No, buy 21s to draw and 25s to shoot.
Just bought 18s today because they were out of 21s, actually cheaper because 18s are just the 'heads' and not the whole syringe.

[crazedhate]

yes, yes, we have all read this info here but why not post it again:

"Gauge: The smaller the gauge, the thicker the needle. An 18g is much thicker than a 22g.

Length: Generally 1.5" or 1" for our purposes.

What gauge needles should I use?
for drawing - 20g, 21g

18g needles are too big and they will eat up your stoppers in a hurry. A bigger hole means an increased chance of letting some little nasties into your sterile vial. Sometimes, the 18g will take out little chunks of rubber that fall nicely into your vial. That is not something you want. Imagine injecting that tiny piece of rubber into your muscle. I'll bet the doctor would have lots of fun digging into your rmuscle trying to find it and mutilating your muscle in the process.....

for injecting - 22g, 23g, 25g - for oil-based steroids, 27g, 29g - for insulin, HCG, HGH, and some water-based steroids. 21g-25g for some lower quality types of winny or suspension, higher quality versions can use a smaller needle generally.

22g and 23g are fine for glutes and quads. 25g is preferred for the smaller muscles such as delts, biceps, triceps, etc.


What length needles should I use?
Most people can get by with a 1" needle, but if you have a higher percentage of bodyfat or are just plain big you should use a 1.5" needle to insure that you get deep into the muscle. You should only use a 1.5" needle for glutes, or if you have huge quads. For smaller muscle groups, 1" is the most common, although some people like to use a 5/8".
Why can't you turn the vial up side down? Then when you are getting near the end of the bottle, you can pull the needle out to where it just barely sticks through the rubber stopper and suck every last drop out of it. Some use a larger guage needle for better flow and then switch to a smaller needle for injecting. Larger needles tend to tear up your stopper though and you might end up getting little pieces of rubber in your gear. Remember that when you are drawing, inject the amount of air into the vial that you intend to draw out in gear. For instance, if you are drawing out 2cc, then pull your plunger back to 2cc and inject that much air in, then draw.


How many ccs can I shoot in one place?
It depends on how big you are. A general guideline is 1cc for delts, 2cc for quads, and up to 3ccs for glutes. Some do more, some do less......it all depends. After a cycle or two, you will know what your body can handle. If you are injecting into other muscles such as biceps, triceps, or calves, it's best to start off with a small volume and work your way up.
first off i am gonna say your probably fine, but take a look at some common shit that goes wrong amongst users...

1.) do you know the cc count that you are aloud to inject into certain muscles?
-Shoulder=no more than 1cc in each head (amatuers should only do 1 cc in the shoulder altogether, its hard to find the separation of your shoulder heads at first)
-quads= i wouldnt do more than 2cc's some people will say 3 but if your losing oil then less is best
-ass= up to 3cc's (I have done 5cc's before no prob) and make sure you watch out for that nerve!! you hit that and you'll be out!
-calfs, bi's and tri's= i stick to 1cc here (some people say up to 2cc's) but again for you less is best!
2.) are your needles long enough?
-shoulders bi's tri's and calf's need 1"
-ass and quads need 1.5"
3.) are you injecting properly?
-a trick I use to use, is to inject deep, and then allow for the needle to stick in the muscle for about 30 secs to a minute this gives it time to settle in then have a alcohol swab ready to plug the hole immediately when the needle pops out

-dont stress but do try to leave the needle in there and make sure its all STERILE!!!!

Common "FREAK OUTS"

I can't get all the tiny air bubbles out of my syringe....
As long as you tap it and get most of the air out, you will be fine. A little air intramusculary won't hurt you. According to the USH2 by Dan Ducaine, it supposedly takes about 10ccs of air injected into a blood vessel to kill you. I wonder how the hell they figured that one out.

I saw blood in the syringe after I pulled out....
You passed through a blood vessel and a little bit of blood entered the syringe on the way out. No biggie.

I pulled the needle out and blood dripped/squirted out....
You passed through a blood vessel. Apply a little pressure with your alcohol swab. You'll live.

I pulled the needle out and oil was dribbling out....
You injected too much in one place or you didn't inject deep enough. No biggie. Try injecting slower or leaving the needle in you for 30 seconds after you have injected it all. This should give the oil some time to dissipate so very little, if any, should dribble out.

I injected into my quad, and my leg was twitching....
You grazed a nerve. Usually it's a good idea to pull out and try another spot.

I don't think I injected deep enough....
If you think you injected into a layer of fat, don't worry. It will just take longer for the steroid to dissipate than it would if you had injected into the muscle. Eventually it will be absorbed. Don't let anyone tell you that you wasted it because that is not true."

[powerman]

20 or 21 to draw
23 to pin

[Replicator]

Originally Posted by prime

rep likes 21's so the chunks of rubber the 18 carved out pass through better than with a 25.

bwahahahahaha
In 9 years Ive never had a problem


bump crazedhate ...always good info
Rep

[koa123]

21 to draw 23 to pin. A 25 takes too long to push 4 cc in the glutes.

[WetWorks]

22 gauge 1 1/2 inch.

[randyh]

I draw with 20's and switch pins to inject with either 23's or 25's depenbding om muscle group. If you find injecting with smaller pins it too slow going then heat your gear when in the syringe under tap hot water 1 minute per ml is a good starting point.

[powerman]

Originally Posted by koa123

21 to draw 23 to pin. A 25 takes too long to push 4 cc in the glutes.

This woprks for me too

[chiselmeat]

Originally Posted by randyh

I draw with 20's and switch pins to inject with either 23's or 25's depenbding om muscle group. If you find injecting with smaller pins it too slow going then heat your gear when in the syringe under tap hot water 1 minute per ml is a good starting point.

yes, I do the same, heating realy helps. Also I believe that slowly injecting is probably better than shoving the juice in quickly, as far as pain, lumps and absporbtion goes.

[Jimbo]

Draw with 21G x 1.5" Green ,Inject with 23G x 1" Blue I do have some 23G x 1.5" Blue from the needle exchange ,probably use these in the glutes
I always heat the syringe under hot tap before injecting